T.C
Swish AFTERTIMED and didn't get arseholes like you jumping all over him,Like i said the thread died a long time ago for me.I will help those who i feel are at least trying to understand the essence of these methods and your not one of them,So put your head back in your shell.The only thing i moan about is the fact you kept this thread going.

Aye ye deserve it

Hi Investor

I suspect that the selections will display past ability of some sort. No doubt Swish will explain in due course.

Well done btw, 4.5 pts up today!

BC

investor, mtoto, everyone, would it be possible to list class rating of horses mentioned in vdw examples..starting with prominent king, or if you prefer..email..grundy_007@yahoo.co.uk....thanks for your help

Sorry investor - have I ever called you an "Arshole"? or similar ?? - Don't think so ! -

("Pratt" I think - is as far as I might have gone )

If I have - then I appoglize - It would only have been done under the influence of "drink" !!!

I have of course - made frequent reference to the "Oozlum Bird" - and that of course - "certainly applies "

Swish has not "Aftertimed" - he has simply "Set a Puzzle" - with a logical basis - and the "Answer" - is - just a bit of "Profitable Fun" !!

Get a "Life"

Your - "Help" - is of little interest to me

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BC -

If I may be -"Forthright" -

when you "have the Answer" - you will "Piss Yourself Laughing"

BC -

Please note - It has nothing to do with the "SEX" of the Horses

T.C
oh so it's o.k for the likes of swish to set puzzles.But when somebody does it on a vdw basis it's called aftertiming.That stinks of hypocrisy to me.The trouble with you is,Youv'e been sucked in to the Gang of non believers.And your always prepared to take.If you like puzzles then look at some of the horses that have been mentioned from a vdw point of view,I have nothing against swish but you hit the nail on the head."your not interested in anything i write" that doesn't bother me a jot.But don't say swish didn't aftertime because his first set of results were put up after the race,Including a 16/1 winner.If i'd have done that it would have been world war 3.Like i say if your face fits.

Gummy
for ****s sake will you pull the plug on me,So i don't have to read all this bollocks

Yours in hope
Investor.

investor -

Nothing at all to to do with "Non Believers" -

Just that I have read "Much Much deeper "into VDW than you have - Past - "Page 3" -

and

I "Know what I am - Looking for" - and I "Know - where to find it "

also

Don't be so "Bloody Arrogent" -

the likes of "Swish" have been around for years - and - are well worth "Listening to" !!!

Investor,

The point is it was DRUMGORA that ran the 3rd in the better class race NOT PK. If you are going to base your findings in this case on collateral type form why not go the whole hog? Even with the weight difference why is that last run a better guide to the winner than Decent Fellows runs run against Drumgora. DF beat D by 3.5 lengths giving him 17lbs, I agree that brings PK into the reckoning. If VDW has said DF was in the top few in the other ratings I could except he MAY have used that race as a guide. He had the 'out of form' BL in front of DF, and BL was well out of it. I don't think the race Decent Fellow won was a key race, the rating that made PK the selection came from somewhere else.

The whole case for making BL a non, out of form horse is based on trying to use this a/rating. VDW didn't say he was out of form, in fact the first person I heard say it was Guest. He had to find a way of stopping him being the c/form horse, working the way he does it is the only explanation he can come up with. Guest even said if BL had won the Sandown race he would have been the c/form horse for the Erin. That doesn't seem to sit right when VDW says he was well out of it. How could beating a weaker horse turn the ratings round that much? His form just wasn't good enough. I also have PK as having form in better class and consistent form.

So the answer is find a way of making PK the better horse without have to classify any of the contenders out of form. It just complicates the methods and worse makes it much easier to get this false idea of how VDW looked at form. That's where most of the problems happen.

Try it with Baronet without having to making Petonisi out of form.

Be Lucky

Hi TC

No, it doesn't have anything to do with that did it! Swine of you! A kindly soul has put me out of my misery. What the hell does Maurice the dead bookie have to do with it!!! Very funny tho'. And you got a profit with that?

I am going to get my trusty pin back out of its box.

BC -

"Maurice" - "Knew" the "Time of Day" - Believe me !!

tc


Look again at - "Trainer Intentions" !!!

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If you don’t know where you are going, any road will get you there.

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Any journey - must begin - with "The First Step"

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Swish -

What about "Filters" ??

The Classic - Methodmaker/VDW filter - springs to mind ???

T.C
'a journey of a thousand miles begins with one step".I have walked many miles through vdw methodology and i'm happy with that journey so far.as for being "bloody arrogant' no chance my friend.i have been on the vdw thread since the first few pages and iv'e tried my best to understand what was being put accross,have you,have you ****.Swish aftertimed end of story.I'll tell you what i'll start putting horses up again after the event and see what kind of reaction it gets.But it was the way i learnt these methods and iv'e enjoyed the journey so far.

mtoto
Please bare this in mind with baronet,Prior to meeting petronisi This horse had won a class 38 carrying top weight what was his ab rating and what was the highest rated horse in the race that petronisi won by default.Also don't forget that petronisi had been dropped from class 73 to 28.He should have won comfortably,Instead he struggled against lower class horses.i'm not going to dot the i's and cross the t's mtoto but the ab rating is important when used as vdw intended.

investor

please locate a point when I called you an "Arsehole" ???

I repeat - I don't believe that I have ever done so - or even called you the equivalent !!

We only have to look back a couple of posts - to find your "Expletive"

Why should you get away with calling me ???

Well I have to admit that the discussion between Investor and Mtoto is quite a bit above my head at present, but I'm happy to say this:

I'm finding that using a " bastardised" version of the "Ability Check" ( winprize money over wins) AND " Recent Form" ( finishing positions in latest races has helped me - even at Wolver!

Is there anyplace harder?

I managed four winners today! Could be luck or the cold weather?

There are TWO important ingredients that I've added to the recipe:

These are CD and " days since last ran".

I also look for any significant change in distance.

Well, it seems to have worked today.

Don't forget everybody, let's be having your Tingle Creek selections up. Unless you think a different race should be used, of course.

Btw, I'll have to make a start on Swish's puzzle, as the answer didn't leap out at me yet.

Gummy -

Please don't pull the plug !

every Thread - needs its "Clown"

T.c
Because you come accross as an arsehole,you keep poking and prodding.I really don't give a **** no more about this thread.i just hope that gummy gets the hump and ****'s me off.There are only a few on here that have any kind of idea about vdw's methods,and to be quite honest the journey of a thousand miles that i mentioned,gets deviated from on many occasions,But i'm happy with my route.i finished work last christmas (nearly my anniversary) to persue vdw amongst other things and i'm still going o.k,And when the likes of you tell me that what i have gleaned by looking at the form books,And the horses that vdw gave is a figment of my imagination.Then i will defend my views to the death.You say i am 'bloody arrogant" yet your quite prepared to dis believe all the hard work that has gone into these methods,That's why your an arsehole.

Investor

Both methods showed Beacon Light well out of it

Amazing I have only seen the (lower class than his ability rating ) mentioned on here once before

Do you know what the second method of rating was?