T.c
Yep.

epi - follow Swish - and think of "Class" as being based on - "Pace"

No -

Thats - "Yup" !

or

does that mean - that for once - you are going to - Post - a Bloody Selection -- "NAW" !!!

Tuppenycat,
Thankyou for carrying on listing my experimental picks.
My idea is obviously rubbish, but I just wondered that is all.

In the old days I (i mean long before internet) I used to sit and study certain hcps in immense detail as I have posted all over Gummy's board.
I often used certain, mind awareness drugs, to do it and I certainly do not mean alcohol to which Is the only drug i use now.
The intensity of the drug made me so mentally alert that I could go through every horse in a handicap with immense concentration and detail.
As I have bored you all stiff with (perhaps) many times, this provided many superb winners.

Without such stimulants I can't find such winners because, I personally, don't think there is a quick "SYSTEM" to find hcp winners at high prices. I think only intense study will find you them, in the long run, and I mean intense, like 6 hours study a race, minimum.
My little recent system was a bit tongue in cheek really. If I sound like a hypocrite, so be it.
I often write "SPEED FIGS ARE THE KEY" or words to that affect.
In non-hcps I have no doubt they are (COUPLED WITH COMMON SENSE).
In handicaps they are only a small part of THE KEY.
There is far more to it than that, but, I do not have the drugs, patience and time now to really go for it with hcps.
With the knowledge I have now, I can do a NON-HCP in 15 minutes, say, that's a lot easier for me. (not that I always get the winner or even the place, but it is not hard to make a small profit and not too damned difficult to make a decent profit, (although I shall say, I find jumps far easier than ALL WEATHER.)

I shall say this. When I did all those hcps, I never took the slightest account, who the trainer or jockey was (still don't in non-hcps)
Perhaps this ignorance on my part, but never stopped me getting all those winners years ago and won't now (I hope).
With all due respect to JIB and others I really can not see what use a 20% srike rate at a course reveals (unless they are all 10-1, which they aren't).

YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THE HUNDREDS, NO THOUSANDS OF HOURS I HAVE SPENT studying this damned game.
I have looked IN IMMENSE DETAIL at form figs such as 121 etc, this CDVW ability rating IN IMMENSE DETAIL, got a few good winners with it, but God knows whow many losers.

Does VDW get a high amount of place winners over 1-1 a place? If so I am interested. It may do, noone ever talks about the place prospects (do they?)

Anyway the question springs to mind, what did I search for when I found all them winners years ago, in hcps.

Well i can't remember it all now, unfortunately, besides, I do not have the mental stimulant, anymore.

However,
I do remember the following:
The horse must have had a very high speed figure at some time over last 2 years, preferabbly a year or more ago.
This figure is fine to be adjusted for weight to get it up there but even better if it was top without adjustment.
C/d is an extra but not a must.
It had best have done crap for a long time (totally opposite of good form figs).
Class drop was a BIG plus.
e.g. it won in a C 2 years ago (when obtaining figure) but now runs in an F.
Money it has won means or meant nil, when I used to do this, but class of race/money (today) it went for was important.

I got one other day, PHAR JEFFEN, without stimulants, it was 4th fav in a 4 horse race, 16-1 in RP W8-1, it was lucky cos fav fell, c'est la guerre.

I shall post this now cos I am worried about all the times posts just do not work.
Back later.

Meclophenoxine?

Dunno -

Just let me havesome of it

Swish -

Please keep posting

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You are one of the best contributors we have on the Forum !!

Realy !!!

tc

Please Post - re my question relating to the -

Difference between "Time" and "Pace "

????????

PHAR JEFFEN ran on 24th of November if anyone would like to have a look at it, LINGFIELD 4.00.
Look at the old speed figs and class of race, look how OR had plumetted.
The going was wrong. How often does that matter?
Now there's another question for you.
The last 6 form figs were 11/6/5/F/P/P.
So what!

Epiglotis
Amphetamine is the answer you are looking for.

Okay.

Tuppenycat
Please re-phrase the question, if you will.
If it is a right question I shall answer it as best I can.

All these different threads is making it hard work to find and answer the posts. Even then it seem to be impossible to find one that this person in Japan hasn't tried to ruin. All I have to say to him is when it comes to brain dead he is the expert.

Swish,

If you are following the Racing Post s/f and you are trying to compare s/f how do you do this? There have been at least 3 different compilers that I know of. Do they all use the same methods of working? I know when Mr Edwards started his figures where very low compered to the previous chap. The bloke also had a s/f for horses that didn't finish a race at times.

I also think I have mentioned I often back a place only, this is done in doubles to try and inflate the price. I think backing for the place is a good way of making money, and I never back under evens. Best day was 7 out of 7 but again only proofed by e-mail to a member of this forum.

Ectoo,

With this par for class doesn't it bother you when a horse in a low class returns a much higher s/f than that class? Will you just work on the fact it was better than class (but against weaker horses) and use it if it is raised in class? If the horse was comfortable against this weaker competition and ran fast, why do you think it will when raised? If the competition is stronger won't the race be run at a faster pace for longer? Stopping the horse have a blow, and possibly taking it on when the class kicks in at the 2f marker? The only time I would use it is in a sprint if then.



Investor.

When VDW explained Roushayd (even before the s/f chapter) he twice pointed out races were run at a slow pace. Why would he do that if speed wasn't important? I have to ask did First Division really have an a/rating of 78. He mentions he won a race of that class, but was it the only race he ever won? Can I ask where that race was run?

As for Frenchman's Creek I never said it was a certainty. It is also quite possible VDW wouldn't have backed it or even selected it. I did point out I had doubts about the course. I thought at the price it was worth a chance as the main danger in my eyes had the same doubts. I think his run at Cheltenham proved the Newbury running wasn't his real form.

Be Lucky

More questions.

Mtoto
I do not EVER recall that you backed place only, not once not ever.
However you do, now it seems.
yes the speed figs on RP change like the weather.
However they still work very well in non-hcps, perhaps not in HCPS,

Mtoto
A little more from me.
I do not doubt atall that you got 7 out of 7 places, judging by when you used to e-mail me.

I KNOW you know what you are doing.
Just saying that you never mentioned place only before (or if you did I never saw it.

Kindly refer me to the posts.