Oh and I forgot Connaught Bridge and Philodantes.

Seanrua - you paint a pretty picture!

Nessie,

You are in fine company!

I've read quite a bit about Einstein, even seen a one man play about him that was touring the Amazon region but I had no idea he was a sufferer too.

His observation that 'imagination is the basis for all intelligence' is magnificent!

The Moving Image Of VDW
The insular order of this historical ruin, this relic of previous wisdom and judgment of the past, surely is in danger of decay?

To quote Cicero: “ I began forthwith to understand how dangerous it is for one enslaved in prejudiced opinions to take shelter in the authority of this or that group of men; it is tantamount to entering a slave-dungeon - I saw that I must return to the old masters”

The High priests are custodians not only the methodology itself, but also of the techniques of interpretation that will unlock the mystery.

Many lesser mortals have read the scrolls until they become mesmerised - but this is never enough.
“It’s all there – read between the lines” they cry.
“But you need the form books too” they decree, enjoying this philosophical hedonism.
No bread is broken and no wine is drunk outside the inner sanctum.

What nomadic mask will be worn today?

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Sorry, JIB,

I'm rushing to watch racing but I haven't understood your question about geysers.

Will try later.

Sean,

It was just a not v good play on words (geysers /geezers) about high pressure Ouzlem birds!

Garstonf
vdw gave 6 horses from the 3 minor meetings at market Rasen,Huntingdon and sedgefield And said we were to work out why only Stray Shot and Zamandra WERE wagers.In Spells it all out He said that Little owl would be backed because he was a racing certainty and also Sunset Christo would also be taken because he was a near racing certainty.The others would be left due to temperement and odds.That's three cleared up for you.

Not meaning to jump on the anti-Lee bandwagon but the remark about a common denominator that almost nobody would dream of was very tiresome. I've looked at the race comments for the last three runs of every horse in Byron's race, nothing is written that isn't part of normal form assessment, okay, the comments have to be taken in conjunction with something else, on the entire race result page there is nothing that doesn't play a part in normal analysis. I have two possible explanations for Lee's usage, 1: who would've dreamed it was as simple as checking that the horse could've won a better race, in VDW terms, on any of it's last three starts 2: VDWists are inept to the degree exemplified in Fulham's observation that he began to think there could be a relationship between weight and distance, this after twenty years study, and they the VDWists expect others to be equally shallow in their appreciation of what constitutes a horse race.

Hi "everyone"

I have not visited this site for a long while and it appears that we have some thespians in our midst, always good for a laugh me thinks. I was under the impression that it was a thread about vdw methodology. Forgive me though if am I in the wrong place.

If some have no desire to learn about vdw, then it has to be asked, why are you bothering to read others views and post here?. In my opinion it matters not in the slightest if someone wishes to set themselves up for a fall in life, regardless of the situation, at the end of the day it is only them that have to deal with the consequences. I for one would in no way be the first or last to say, " I told you so", why, because we should all learn from our mistakes.

We each have our own unique way of making our racing pay, "there is NO right or wrong". I cannot for the life of me understand the reasoning for slating others because of their beliefs/ways. If I did not believe in something I certainly would not bother to read articles or postings pertaining to that matter.

Yes, I use vdw methods (as far as my limited knowledge allows), however, I also use other methods that I know help pay the bills, is this wrong?. Of course not, and would in no way try to impose these ways on others, unless asked, which in my view is what some are trying to do on this thread.

The thirst for knowledge has always been one of life's priorities for the human race, thus arguments/disagreements will always be vehement, and contaminated with opinions, but we have to deal with these in turn, or we learn nothing.

It is unfortunate that through the ages there have been many books written, on many subjects, and in turn vdw's methodology, has always been a source of scorn, for reasons that can only be described as "they were very rarely understood by the reader".

This posting is not intended to cause umbrage to anyone, however, if it is taken, tough, thats life, deal with it, whatever

Anyone for Tennis!!!!

"If I did not believe in something I certainly would not bother to read articles or postings pertaining to that matter".

Raffingora,

I am sure you are neither a rapist nor a murderer but I doubt you avoid reading court proceedings in your newspaper.

I am sorry if you find that a little too thespian but I wished to avoid being as long-winded as yourself.

Lee/Raffingora/Mtoto
I have been wanting to ask a question for a while,But in order to get an answer i need to address the question to those who have the form books.When vdw mentioned the 3 minor meetings on boxing day 1986,He said that all the races at kempton went to a form horse and that 14 of the 18 from the other meetings went to a form horse.My 4 are

Albert the great
Kersil
Rhymers Rascal
The yomper

I would welcome your views on these 4 horses.

Cheers, JIB,

I got it at once this time round ( Old Faithfull the geyser - "thar she blows!"

My selection in the C class race was woeful again today.

Thank fk for the "Stale Crust and Dripping" thread!

My mate, who uses prize money values successfully, did warn me not to use it in sprints. It sure was a race to swerve, though Yajbil won very well:

2ndTop OR
Top Best RPR
Top Latest Topspeed

In all, a much better selection than my own.

raffinggorea

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If some have no desire to learn about vdw, then it has to be asked, why are you bothering to read others views and post here?

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What??!! what bit of "can you help please" didnt you get?

feck me.

Or perhaps we are just supposed to post -

in terms of "Fawning Admiration" -

In order to boost the Ego's of those who claim to have - "The Answers" -

But who have yet to justfy in any shape or form other than "Aftertiming" -

Their "credentials " - for their "Omnipetence" !

T.c
Shut up babbling on,You do nothing but complain.Where supposed to be whingeing pomms,Just because you don't get ehat you want,The dummy comes out,I personally have learnt more from Lee's input on this thread and another one,Than any of the so called "old school",But then again i wanted to understand wether vdw really was as good as it was made out to be,I also shared a lot of the sceptism that is shown by a majority of the new comers on this thread,But in one of the books ,Vdw said "don't take my word for it,Prove it to yourself " So that is what i did.O.k you can poke and prod at it but that's as far as you'll get.No doubt what will follow will be a tirade of abuse,But i have been told on many occasions that the truth hurts,And so it does.

Fine ! -

Show us 'xctly how much you have learned from Lee - by posting - a few "Pre Race Predictions" -

then we can realisticly - "judge" your "Authority" -

Otherwise you remain - just another "SAD" wishfull poster

T.c
You are the sad wishful thinker,For THINKING that everything will be given on a plate,You start showing some real interest in these methods (i mean real interest) then i'll post up pre race.I asked you the other day to evaluate a race the way that vdw would have done or Guest did on friday,What happened f..k all.So come on then this thread is about methods and evaluating races to find a "Winner" do it vdw style bet you can't.

Why try evaluating a race by using a method that as yet I don't believe works ??

Demonstrate that it works and I might start to show some interest !

For me at the moment - ectoo and JIB -"Hold the Floor" - convince me otherwise -

the only way you will do so - is by - Pre Race posts !

At the moment I don't believe that there is "Anything" to be given "on a Plate" - cos as yet - there is nothing of substance -

so why should I want it ??

till then I will continue to regard you as a very "SAD" - deluded poster

John in Brazil.

I do not buy newspapers, why would I go and pay 50 odd pence just to read someone else's problems. Besides, there are better things to read on here. . Long winded or not, that is your "opinion" and you are entitled to it, at least I have said it all in one posting, now add your postings up over the last week, and you call me long winded, regardless of what you preach it is still a free society for speech as far as I recall. Some of your comments and quips I find very amusing, keep them coming as I am sure that you repertoire has many more.
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Nessie.

"What??!! what bit of "can you help please" didnt you get?........my answer "they were very rarely understood by the reader". I do not know why you posted if you read what I said, I for one was of the opinion that you were putting some of the questions to the forum. Could it be a case of another one that runs with the hounds. I am aware of your little problem ,dyslexia, but my name is spelt thus, aftertimingiknownothing.
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Tuppenycat.

My knowledge is like some others on here "limited" hence the statement ("as far as my limited knowledge allows") so let me put you straight on that point, and I am the first to admit that this is the case, and have never pretended otherwise. However, there are certain instances in the 3yo area where I have concentrated on and have had some success, but in all probability no more than some others who use their own ways, albeit using vdw or not. Racing has never revolved around vdw and this will always remain the case. Having said that, I am still at a loss as to why some on here are determined to ridicule his methodology. I do not have many answers or an ego about vdw, just a quest to learn more about something of my own choosing.