My bets are placed in public for all to see - success or failure - the rest of the forum can gain from my own learing experience !

I have no interest in inflating your ego !

I have never claimed that "I Know more than you" -

what I have suggested is that you behave like "The Dog in the Manger"

Incidently if you want a real life example of "Trainers intentions" - have a good look at the 5.40 Nottingham !!

Well, failing to heed Charlie Anderson's advice led me to a terrible selection today.

Richtee nowhere!

Right, no more messing with young horses in grades below C.

Second mistake was to compromise by picking something, that had won a bigger prize than the others, but which was nowhere near up to the class of today's race. (6 compared to 10).

I won't be trying that stunt again!

Lee,

Interesting statement. Can you confirm the 80% strike rate VDW mentions is correct?

You have seen how more than a few work, and I agree there is a big difference between them/us. You have said my non agreement with the a/rating is a big hindrance to me solving the problem. As you know many others do use it, so could you give a little clue as to where they are going wrong? Example, Fulham and Guest work in a very similar way (but not exactly the same). Others use a different version of the same theme.

While I would never expect you to go into detail. It must be possible to give a hint, that people who have worked on the problem would/could understand.

Lee,

RE your recent challenge, a couple of questions. Is it open to anyone? How long a period would it run? Do selections have to be based on VDW thinking, or versions of it?

Be Lucky

seanrua -

I believe that this business about grade C and below - is nowadays a load of "Bo**ks" -

If you follow the "Top Grade" Trainers and "Jockeys" irrespective of the race grade - then -

some realy good priced "Winners" can be found !!

see post above and JIBs post regarding Gosdens - class G stats

Lee versus Mtoto would be one hell of a match up !

Can I have £100 on each selection please ?

Lee has already been warned by Gummy -

regarding aggresive postings involving "Money"

Certainly I don't think - that they are in the spirit of the Forum - and I would do nothing to encourage them !!

On the other hand , I agree - an open competition between the VDW proponants on this thread would be "Interesting" to say the least !!

I have flagged up Lees post with Gummy !

Hi Determined hope you are well m8 did you forget to put up the riding weights for the jockeys?.I was looking forward to that as vdw said that dead weight in the saddle was undesireable.

TC,

My thoughts have been made public also.

All I’m doing is answering questions as honestly as possible, and challenging those who are making uninformed statements and comments about the VDW method that I know to be false. This I hope will help maybe only one person on their way, where VDW is concerned. If you or anyone else thinks that I will tell them what it is that is so simple then …

Mtoto,

I’ll take the liberty and decline to answer some of your questions above on here, drop me a line. However, yes the offer is open to anyone who wants to put up. I wouldn’t consider posting selections again in public, as I’m now sure it wasn’t beneficial to anyone, least of all myself. Like I say, drop me a line.

TC,

Just read your latest post. Just for the record, I’ve asked whoever wants a go to email me, in private.

My email address is there – either put up or shut up, you’re beginning to sound pathetic.

Lee. What was the challenge? £500 to a charity of gummys choice. I can make more money than you in a single week starting with the same bank.

Shut up you piss taker.

Better yet if you lose you tell everyone on here exactly what the vdw method is - that means exactly.

Nessie - no point - He is a "Man of Straw"

I believe Lee is the real deal.

lee just read your post.

"All I’m doing is answering questions as honestly as possible"

ha bloody ha.

What exactly is the common denominator then. oh yes I remeber - its in the form book.

LAL laff at lee

Slow down guys.

sorry walter but I never get a straight answer on this thread.

Sorry if I'm out of line.

Then why does he sit "Snarling and Barking " in the "Manger" ???

Nessie,

You’re not out of line, just showing your true colours.

I’m not a charitable person – email me.

LEE what are my true colors then? Why not be completely open?

Lee tell me this. why is this vdw so cloak and dagger? In your opinion is vdw so effective that its secrets cannot be shared? Is it really that good? im not taking the piss because if you really think / or know that vdw is the answer then I can understand why you dont talk about it.

But then why do you only 'half' talk about it? you only provide a 'little' and 'not enough'. do you enjoy teasing or do you think that you are actually helping?

when you say you are not charitable do you mean it?

Nessie,

Seriously, I can see where you are coming from. You don’t have an email address in your profile so I’d be grateful if you’d email me, and I hopefully I can clear a few things up.

no talk to me on here

sorry ot to go now. back later after tea.