Seanrua -

wasn't "disputing" - re prize money -(just suggesting that -Top Trainers - have similar "value") -

tho I have "TAKEN ON BOARD" - ectoos remarks that -"EPS" (earnings per start) -

may actualty be a better measure !!!

Walter

Jockeys natural weights can be found in the jockey stats tables which are shown regularly in the Racing Post.

The last stats were on pg 60 of yesterdays Post.

K.Fallon 8-04
L.Dettori 8-06
S.Sanders 8-03
D.Holland 8-05
R.Hughes 8-06
J.Fortune 8-06
t.Quinn 8-03
K.Darley 8-04
J.Murtagh 8-06

and so on.

Wot post

Lee

Do you use abilty ratings?

Cheers Determined i dont take the post m8.

The riding weights look much of a muchness dont they?.

not when the rider can't make the weight -

then you get some V-Strange Bookings - even from M.Stoute !

Tc/Jib
You are wrong about Lee's intentions, of that I am fairly certain.
I have seen enough tripe peddled on this board to recognise beef when I see it, and hopefully understand enough about VDW to comprehend how most of the major contributors work.
After 3 years on this board, for the first time I am impressed, not only by Lee's approach, but also his willingness to share some of it. Surely that is what this thread is about?

lee, mtoto, everyone, i believe van der wheil stated in the silver lining, that he gave two versions of the systematic betting method, any ideas on this.lee, mtoto,....would it be possible to email,...emmalouise96@hotmail.com

From the jockeys mentioned above & they are deemed as top jocks on the flat, there is only 3lbs in weight difference.

If excess dead weight is deemed as a negative & a horse fell in the first 5 or 6 in the b/f/c then who would want it on their side?.

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After 3 years on this board, for the first time
I am impressed, not only by Lee's approach, but also his willingness to share some of it. Surely that is what this thread is about? -


johnd -


For once, your views - co-incide with Lee's - Fine ! - but don't set him up as a - Godhead !!

He has contributed "Nothing" - and - has "Nothing " to " Contribute " -

he is a "SAD" - loser !!

Let him prove "otherwise" !!


I have "Sod All To Contribute " cept a 10/1 winner at Nott today - a 33/1 winner in the Gold Cup - and the 1/2/3 - in some bloody expensive race that I can't remember - cept - it was regarded as "Impossible " !! - and Lee posted - "After the Race" - that - pre race I had talked a load of "SH*t" - he Posted - Bugger all !!

JIB - you also - "Bang on their Kennels" - and "F*ck around with the Lights" - if they don't behave - at night !

and stop Barking" !!

I want mine to bark at night if they as much as hear a bat fart!

Farting again!

I have just read your homework piece. Is this a topical issue for you at the moment?

JIB
Its Me!

I see no qualifying race for VDW methodology today. The 430 Salisbury is an interesting £9.8K C1 race, but it's for 2yos.

Despite this, my selection is Marching Song. I have backed him to place (1st or 2nd).

As regards farting, I must admit I don't know what VDW said about it, but i should warn viewers that the Ouzlem bird, that has been known to frequent habitats like this thread, should not be approached by members of the public.

These dangerous creatures date back to prehistoric times, and when disturbed from their regular routine of flying round in ever-decreasing circles till they disappear up their ass, they have been known to pluck up enough courage to put their feet on the ground.

Far from being a sign of submission, this is when they are at their most dangerous.
If you show too much interest, they will immediately stick their beak in the ground and whistle out of their ass. The effect of this can be devastating, as they are full of high -pressure shit!

Be aware.

Lee

Many thanks for the reply.
I cannot see where it specifically states that VDW backed Stray Shot, Zamandra, Buckskin, Sunset Christo and Uther Pendragon but that’s probably not important.
As I said I have not looked at all the examples, this is because I do not have all the form books.
However does all of the above and Wayward Lad of course have the same common denominator as Celtic Pleasure, Battlement, Rifle Brigade, Orchestra and Derrylin. Also Pragmatic, Inside Quarter, Lyric Dance, One In A Million, Ela-Mana-Mou, Hawaiin Sound, Vaigly Great and Lyphard’s Wish. Finally non VDW bets Swiss Maid, My Therape and Baronet. As these horses I can look at in more depth.