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No qualifiers today.

There are three today, all at Musselburgh. In every case the two horses are the same age so for me they're not strictly qualifiers, still, it'll be interesting to see how they get on.
1:00 Moor Spirit
2:00 Named At Dinner
3:00 Polyphon

class C+ qualifier

Saturday

3.15 Newb MARK EQUAL

Lingfield 2:35 Mimic

I know it's after the event but these facts were obvious before the off and are worth putting on record.

Moor Spirit - Trainer's record is really poor. (0-26) The compressor Kylie Time had G Lee on board who is a better jockey than Siddal, although Siddal had won with Moor Spirit previously. Looked like a big muddle with God only knows what the intention was. Compressed by 21 lbs.

Named at Dinner - Had never run on Good ground or on a right handed course. The jockey booking of Dobbin (20%) over Mercer certainly showed the intent was to compress (11 Lbs).

Polyphon - Poorish trainer stats (4-89) but again the jockey booking of Lee (14%) over Buchannan (0-4) showed the intent was to compress (20 Lbs)

Now that the after timing is over and done with

Mark Equal (9-13)
Compressed by 24lbs. Murphy on board so the intent is there.
Loves the going, distance and track.
Downside is that he is going up 2 grades today. Also compressed by association, is Spring Margot (10-8) who has nothing against him at all and could not be bet against.

Mikey: those are interesting observations. If you're willing to keep up that side of it I'll carry on posting my basic qualifiers for at least another week.

Nothing.

Gold on Gold ???

don't want to start a "conspiracy" theory - but can anyone suggest why "First Gold" was put into the race at that weight ??

was there an "Owner " agreement ???

Nothing.

TC,

He came over as a travelling companion for Barracuda. The idea I guess was that you might just as well run him in the race and possibly drop his handicap a pound or two while getting him ready for his intended target over the Christmas period.

Oldtimer

I have recieved an e-mail from D Lions this morning. He boasts that Rigmarole was declared in the County Hurdle last year, at the 48 hr stage, to compress the weights for Sporazene(20/1), so that very few runners were in the handicap proper and further, that they knew he(Rigmarole) would not run on the day. Sporazene was backed into 7/1 as most of you will recall.

D.Lions states that he obtains inside information from Pipe, Nicholls and Hobbs.

Surely this is an overt admission of corruption within that stable and and admission that certain stables Conspire to corrupt the integrity of the sport, and an admission that Anti Post backers of Rigmarole were unashamedly and cold heartedly robbed blind.

It amazes me how someone can see this type of action as worth commendation and advertise it as such to unsuspecting punters, and racing integrity watchdogs alike.

On the other hand he is "grassing" on an actual event that took place and only fails to "name the name" of his associates to further wring the last drop from the episode.

It is also worth mentioning that since this hieneous corruptitious event took place, he's apparently been roughing it to such an extent that in order to bolster the "Children's Christmas Present Fund" he is offering to associate unsuspecting individuals with future "racing crimes" for the modest fee of 25p per minute.

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Interesting.

What about 210 Wolver today ( Mon, 29 Nov)?

I know it's AW, but it's a £13K Hcp.

Is Halmahera there to compress the weights for Quiet Times?

I hope so, though I made Halm and Quito the " class horses" in the race, using the old VDW approach, BUT

H is an old turf horse and, Quito may be not up for this.

My choices were Quiet Times, Moayed and Celtic, so I'm bollixed really.

Toying with the idea of dutching my three fancies; leaving the race alone; or having a "speculative"( silly longshot) on Halm.

Any views?

PKB,

I cant agree with you about 'stables conspiring to corrupt the integrity' because they have done no more than take advantage of the rules of the sport to seek the best advantage for their charges.

If they chose the described occasion to lay Rigmarole then they lose their reason and become involved in fraud, however if they only backed Sporazene I can see no problem with their activities. You cannot demand that all your chess games are played against the mentally retarded.

You should rage at the stupidity of antepost punters who regardless of even natural phenomena, like the ravages of the weather, training accidents etc., take huge and well known risks in their greed to gain the advantage of a point or two.

Presumably the antepost market exists, like some hideous contraption in a sex-shop, because their is a demand for it. That is its reason and its fount of horror stories. Basically I think, (not unlike VDW), it appeals to the greed and vanity of those who would like to entertain an audience with tales of their dash and perspicacity.

I would like to see one of your 'unsuspecting punters' as he must be a real twit to be getting financially involved in a subject he so obviously knows so little about. And without wishing to appear cruel he needs this type of whalloping to smarten his ideas up.

JIB,

Your views are at varience with those of the rules of the "jockey club" who take an exceedingly dim view of horses entered and not running on their merits, as witnessed by Pipe and his 2k fine.

I am not an officionado of the "rules of racing" but I would expect that the "jocky club" would take a not to dissimilar stance in a horse that has been freely "admitted" with the intention of not running at all.

It may be that the rules broken were in the reasons and lies given at the withdrawal stage, but the fact that this was pre-meditated is indication enough of wrongdoing and decietfulness.

A lot like Berry pulling out horses at the last moment. We all know its wrong.

But just because it fits in with your view's on the Acceptable/Unaceptable boundaries that one frequently meets in the sport of Kings does not make it right for the good of the sport as a whole, which is just as well.

Is nicking a penny bubbly not the same as robbing brinks matt?
not

Pkb,

Entering a horse for a race can in no way be considered an obligation to race. If people wish to bet on a horse in a future race that is their affair but has nothing to do with the stables workings. Surely any fool knows that at this stage there are about 100 horses entered for next years 2000 gns, though only a dozen or so will actually run.

In this case the uncertainty was even worse as it was not a non-hcp. All I can say to those unwise enough to back antepost in hcps before the weights are published is:" caveat emptor"

that was a classic compression

did they break any rules? or are the rules flawed?

CLASS C OR BETTER

you know it makes sense

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There've been none for a couple of days. I've had a think about how a trainer might come to go for this and tightened up the system. I'll post if and when any come up.