lll
Shut the f..k up,you haven't got a clue,Or is it wind up time pleb.

Considering your own goal today that makes two of us Pipsqueak.

OK I'll try to sort it out.

Form= consistantcy as given by VDW 1,3,11=14 etc
Av = Average of last 3 prize moneys
Ab= VDW ability rating
"**" if biger than todays winners prize

cut and paste form

16% (61H in a 3k race) 61H 21f(dist) 6/50 (6th by 50 lenths)
Gd (going) Chl (cheltenham) 3K (prize) (13 days)(since last race)
Then I add notes
(UP in dist, Unpl) Same class H, No improv (% not rising)

so way up the consitency abilty capabilty probabilty and work for it.

This how I make sense of VDW. Its not a big secret really just go through it all and sort it in order. Also not forget the last 2 furlong commentsthese are v.important. You don't get many bets but when it all fits they win.

Trouble is because we all look at it diferently then some will say that this isn't it. But I think it is.

Epi
Before you start flying off into cloud cuckoo land,Let's get one thing straight,The post's that have been put on this thread by Guest,Contain enough clues that certain people with 30 quid to spare can reap the rewards that can be found in the literature,remember Epi I have also had my ups and downs with this thread,And iv'e also had a pop at Guest on several occasions,But at that point i was being an ignorant b.....d just like you are,The thing is i did something about it.If you really are interested get the stuff,If your'e not then why don't you just f... o.. and let those that really are interested carry on without constant criticism that cannot be constuctive because you haven't got the first clue of what your'e talking about.

When assessing the recent form do you not consider the size of field to be worth including in the table?

lll
and what own goal is that rent boy.It won't be long before lover boy starts.

I take it then that you're saying that with Guest's posts to annotate the historical examples it is easier to 'solve' VDW than it is using Nessie's approach with contempory races?

So, Pipsqueaks advice is get interested or f..k off. I suppose from someone who has single handedly dumbed down this thread that par for the course.

Epi. Not really. But I think it fair to say that we are looking for a previous race that is similar/easier to todays including field etc.?Judged on that performance we can judge todays.
On the tv someone said that horses were pack animals and not used to geting the head ion front and once they do it gets a habit. So the filed size where the trip isnot enough to sort them out could be a factor. But then again wieght can stop a train and we know when because they lose -usually after the % get smaller so I dont look at weight either. Iorana was carrying 12-2 and won easy against poor class runners.

Racing is a puzzler.

I'm ****ing pissed off with all this rowing.

I'm trying to help people and you all are a bunch of kids. It took me months to feel i could post on here. what the point.

Mainly I was thinking that the finishing position has an importance relative to the field size and that the lengths alone dont fully tell the story, for example in a field of three a horse can be eased considerably if it's going to finish third whereas in a field of six it may have to fight for that position, in this sense the lengths can be deceptive if not considered in relation to field size.

Nessie,

I think you have done a fantastic job trying to make sense of VDW.

Epi On my table I say placed unplaced and lengths. in a 6f coming 5th by 1 length is good
in 24f coming 2nd by 12lenghts is bad.

Jib 97c in a 8k is not as good as 97c 9K or 87A 12k. say 112A at 10k is 1120 if it is the best LTO then that is 100% and the rest sorted acordingly.Add the last 3 up and if tha tis the best then that becomes 100% then you sort the horses in order.


Last thing before I go. VDW said to take note of opinion. If every one agrees they are usually wrong. If the balance is fai then the majority are worth noting. So if the fav is odds on and the rest of the field nowhere and the VDW table goes against it then the fav is poor value. Take Maldoun today. VDW said look at what the tipsters are doing. Look at the table and also the selectn box for that race. This is also very accurate. So rather than go for the majority vote go for the one that has only say 2 others with it. Like 145 Herefod.Also look at 350 Hereford

campare what I said with the c a c p w because I think that is VDW.

I've never typed so much in my life.

[This message was edited by Nessie on May 13, 2003 at 06:58 PM.]

Gringo
lol you come out with all that crap and then pump nessie to get his thoughts you really do excel yourself sometimes.

Sorry perhaps I didn't explain it very well. If there are a lot of runners there will be stronger competition for prize money placings this will be reflected in smaller distances between the finishers, so the number of lengths beaten in a two runner race has a different meaning from the number beaten in a thirty runner race. Because of this effect I think there's an arguement for noting the field sizes as a feature of the form.

Handbags at dawn??

Nessie

Your results are quite impressive
Dont stop posting them
Is this the norm or is it a flash in the pan??

Gringo
No there is nothing wrong with that at all,The thing that get's me is WHY do you keep coming back to this thread if vdw doesn't interest you,Nessie has not seen the malice in a lot of your'e posts in the past,From you and your'e shadow,I just hope that one day he doesn't have to put up with the same kind of crap that others have had to endure.