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**** from memory don`t you like these 5-6 furlong sprint hcaps. Have a look at thurs - fri Doncaster dec`s and you`ll find 2 nice cavalry charges to get your teeth into.

Get Stuck In at 16/1 was my first investment last season when getting beat on the line. My season was full of close 2nd`s so I hope this year will be a little better.

Regards,

Swish,
There are a series of vdw books available,commonly referred to as the vdw library,available from Browzers.Systematic Betting is not part of the vdw library.Hope this helps.
My comments on goading were not aimed just at you,but all the culprits,eg Q,III etc.It achieves nothing.
Your contributions in the main have been excellent why not keep it that way.VDW is my preferred way,wer'e all different.There was more than one arrow in vdw's bow.
Hope this puts an end to this.

did anybody come up with CRYSTAL GIFT today.
and am i allowed to say that?.

Jimmy,
A doctor of medicine has to abide by the Hippocratic oath, so if you were lying ''lying in a pool of blood'' following ''a serious car accident'' the doctor would be forced to help you. However, if the same doctor was sheltering from the rain and you drove up in your car asking for directions, he/she would probably be intellegent enough to give you the two fingered salute from the comfortable position of his/her shelter.

I agree the human race is inherently altruistic and honest but from the content of the posts from yourself, Quinelle, Three Legs etc, I can see you lot do not fall in this category.

I have been following and learning from this thread since I stumbled across it a couple of months ago. It is a shame that some people use it to abuse others rather than as a place to share information. Whilst in no way do I claim to understand enough about V.D.W. to win money yet on a regular basis I no longer lose money. Reason being I've stopped betting. You guys have shown me that there is a more disciplined way to select horses than I have used in the past. I already had in my possesion 2 V.D.W. books and I am working hard to understand the advice and nudges that have been posted. Even though I have a long way to go,I am already making more informed judgements on the likely outcomes of races, so THANK YOU for that. I have read the odd dig at those who read this thread but don't offer anything back. This is the first time I've ever posted anything on a board as I've never felt able to offer anything positive and it's not easy to do anything if you've never done it before. Enough! I'm starting to ramble, just wanted to let you know that your EFFORTS are appreciated and I will try to contribute if I feel I have anything to add to the debate.
Regards to all.

That sort of reply says an awful lot more about you than it does about anyone else

Sounds like a pointy headed pseudo intellectual much to close to his feminne side for me.

Jimmy,
There has been alot of inherently altruistic and honest help on here and a little bit has come from me, so the problem seems to lie with you.

The subversive element of youself, Quinelle, three legs etc doesn't bother me in the slightest but if it ultimately brings about the demise of this thread, where will you get your winning ideas from? Please think about it.

Max,
In response to your post re Crystal Gift I would say from a VDW point of view that it would not be a race to get involved in as too many of the runners are in with a chance.
I liked your filters by the way, a common sense idea which would improve most methods or systems.
Have you applied them in the case of Crystal gift?
Regards,

Barney.

I wonder if you could help me? If you don't think speed figures and OR's are of any use. How do you put a value to the form? As you know I don't use the ability rating as suggested by vdw. Are you suggesting the penalty value alone is enough to gauge the strength of the form? While you are at it could you also help Maggsy and myself, we can't find the form that makes Mistletoe a good thing. In fact I can't find anything that suggests SHE CAN ACT ON THE GROUND. I'm sorry to say this looks like another consistent horse that appears to be a vdw selection.

Max.

I don't know what others think, but the 3-20 at Ayr looks a tight little race. Any of 4 horses could win it. I can only speak for myself, but I don't think vdw would have bet in this race. For what it's worth I make Another Chance the class/form horse, but I won't be playing either.

Regards

Max

Youve obviously got the wrong end of the stick.....you have the audacity to come out with a clear selection before racing - and then the blasted thing wins at a nice price. Absolutely outlandish old chap......nice one .

i feel a bit like the man who gets 8 score draws with a pin.
sorry guys.

[This message was edited by max on March 18, 2002 at 06:31 PM.]

hi mtoto,

you have been generous in the past with me and i appreciate that.

to go any further would spell it out.

but i read a letter which said CLASS AND CONSISTENT FORM ARE VITAL FACTORS AND THIS OFTEN CONFOUNDS THOSE WHO RELY ON HANDICAPS AND RATINGS ALONE.


i put race number up for mistletoe that shows up a lot


hope this helps in some way .

Hey Max,
WHAT ARE YOU DOING???????
You aren't allowed to tell anyone a decent winner before the race. GET A GRIP!

Seriously, Max, well done, I am absolutely delighted,
All the best,
Swish

I'd be interested to know how you are progressing with your research of VDW's past examples and your theory of the Class/Form combinations.

On a similar subject would you mind if I contacted you via email? If you don't have a suitable address that you are able to post up then I can register one, that is of course if you are agreeable.

mtoto

are you still using that e-mail address

youve got mail

maggsy

i have been trying to mail you for 2 days and it's not getting through will you mail me please?

[This message was edited by Barney on March 18, 2002 at 07:47 PM.]

Barney.

I received your e-mail today I will answer as soon as I can. In the mean time I have gone through the race you mentioned (three times). I am sorry to say I still can't find a clue in that, or any other race that shows me Mistletoe had the class or ability to win on Saturday. As I said before the ability to act on the ground was of paramount importance on the day. I can see the favourite had shown it was unlikely to cope with the weight and ground. I would want proof the Mistletoe could cope before I made her a bet.

Lee.

I haven't looked at any more examples yet, but as I said, I now make it 10 out 10 in the examples I have studied. My address is Mtoto44@aol.com.

Old-Timer.

I also work my speed figures without a weight element, rather than adjust to 12st or 9st.

Max

Nice one, makes you a braver man than me to play in that race. Can I ask was the selection because of the filters, or because the filters backed it up?

Regards

barney,
that was a very nieve comment on official ratings,why do you wear blinkers all the time,why not try those wooly sideburns now and again,not a great example but i cant think of any more at the moment,first it was dutching with you,that was the best thing since the wheel,now van der wheil is the best since sliced bread.
if the official ratings are not important why do commentaters always talk about it in pre race picks,eg,scudamore on bbc1 he will say something like the the horse has come down 2lb in the handicap for a decent third last time out,this will entitle him to go close,hes talking about official handicap ratings not actual weight carried,peter scudamore knows more than all of this thread put together,so open your eyes,and dont always think your way is correct and anybody else who does not read the dutchman is wrong.
i have read a lot of this thread on vdw and a lot of people do not agree with everthing vdw has to say.

mtoto

the class/form combination will find yours as well

the class in which a horse runs is not the same as the class in which it competes, to coin a phrase.

hi greg,

dutching still is the best thing since sliced bread,the thing is when there isnt a winner in the race, i can find a couple a day where there are only two in with any real chance, the winners in a race are a bonus, that ive found through many,many,many helpfull contributions.combined with a suitable staking plan,which i have mentioned a couple of times,and realistic targets it works well for me.but of course my ideas are changing with expeience,if yours are not youv'e got it sorted and well done, and no doubt mine will change again,after all nobody knows it all.

statajack

you were right my selections wern't certs