id love to tell you how i picked them but i cant,but i will say they were the class/form horses,i will name the class/form horses in future,but for non vdwers these are not bets,only if they win they are bets,hope this clears it up.
class/form horses are only bets if they win.
guest-get a grip-
barney-swish offerd you a challenge and you said its all temprement with vdw,yet you are happy to post 1 a day on tituses thread,swish is up for a challenge so am i,guest ,barney show us what you can do?

i have layed it down,take me on?
1 a day
2 a day
whatever,lets see how good you are?

Dear Guest,
I have to assume the above means me seeing as I have been one of the "attackers" as it were. The only reason I have not joined in your debates recently is because I really can't be bothered. You just do the same format all the time. Say a couple of favourites might win, know every single reason why every horse lost, and then say you picked winners like Mistletoe at 10-1.
looking back at the Extra Jack v. Flying Instructor race where you reckoned there was no winner to be found, yet several of us did, including Fulham, and Extra Jack only lost by 3/4 of a length so you just decide it was no bet. If it had won you would have thought of some other reason why it wasn't a bet. And so it goes on.
I NAME my horses before hand. If you do not believe me, take your time to look at "Gary dutching thread" and find out.
I do not know how you have the balls to suddenly tell all your "followers" that you pick secret 10-1 shots but never told any of them, despite all the kind words and respect they are giving you. If I was them, I would find it down right insulting, and if they don't, well......
Yours
Swish

you are going to reply something like,all my selections are vdw and i do not want to give the game away,rest assured i ont care if they are van der wheil or van der valk i wont be backing them,so there we are,you cant ignore this one!!!!!

Swish/Greg - The 3 horses I referred to were all named before the event, and I couldn't have made it clearer that I viewed them as good things. The only stipulation was for a fair price about Baracouda. Two of these horses won. Perhaps I didn't spell their names correctly or I have read the results wrong. I also have given unfavourable comments to certain "fancied" horses who I was fairly sure would not win. I notice Swish is still trying to select the winner of virtually every race on another thread, but I don't see anything approaching the sort of strike rates that are attainable if using VDWs ideas correctly.

Three Legs set out his challenge pretty much as you have,Greg. However, he doesn't have the good grace to even acknowledge the winners given. The fact that 2 were favourites is of no consequence. The point is I could have selected any old favourite, but I only back favourites I see as genuine. The duff ones I lay to plenty of takers, something VDW would have enjoyed very much no doubt. I have never claimed 100% winners. That is blatantly not possible, but 80% is there if you know what to look for. Not all good things are favourites. Don't blame me because you can't see what is clearly there in the form book.

Determined/others - the 3 horses mentioned that ran today were my bets. The class/form horse in the first race had serious doubts, the trainer even voiced as much. The winner had some vital factors in his favour. If anyone cares to look they should see them. If they don't then there is little I can do to help without giving vital points away. To be honest, as far as the hecklers go, I wouldn't be inclined to tell them anything.
I'd love to be their bookmaker though.

Guest,
You never named MISTLETOE at any time. I have read through the whole thread for the last few days. Or have I missed it? If so fair enough, all credit to you. Where is it?
Yours
swish

Swish - This is just typical of the misinterpretations on this thread by those looking for arguments. I am referring to the 3 horses all clearly named as good bets/things/prospects during the Cheltenham meeting ie Baracouda,Like A Butterfly and Landing Light BEFORE the event. Other bets were not named and not claimed for the purposes of 3 Legs pointless challenge.

I must admit I’m surprised at you Barney. At no time in the past have I ever had a harsh word to say about you. In fact when you first became interested in VDW I was the only one to try and help you, in my very limited capacity I admit but at least I tried to help. I have nothing against VDW, I have openly stated that if any method gets you results then good luck to you. Could it be Barney that your selection methods have improved because instead of just dutching the fav, 2nd fav in a race you are now learning to actually use a form book? Something that some of us have been doing for years, with good results.
Seeing the way this thread was going months ago I stayed well away from it, then recently I see a post from that dickhead investor telling Swish to sod off, and that was when I got involved again, since then I have been attacked by Guest and now some other pip squeak, Michael, is trying to get his two cents worth in.
Well guest can get stuffed, his ego will not get any boosting from me, and, until Gummy tells me to get off this thread I will post as often as I like. Guest has been offered the chance to settle this many a time, if he hasn’t got the Balls for the challenge so be it.

Jimmy

Jimmy - Did I or did I not give 3 named selections of which 2 won ?

Check out Gummy's post "Superform" under General Racing Discussion. It applies to you.

Guest

Like a butterfly, baracuda, Nosam, adiemus etc all vdw selections?

titus

Guest,
Here are the facts.
You posted at 6.36 pm 0n Mar 16th that you were happy with your 3 winners, The Bunny Boiler, Mistletoe, Ademeus. Now don't call me a liar, because you can't delete it. It is all there for everyone to see.
YOU NEVER, AT ANY TIME, NAMED THE BUNNY BOILER AND MISTLETOE.
That leaves only 2 options. You either backed them and did not tell your loyal faithfull, OR you never backed them atall.
WHICH ONE OF THOSE 2 STATEMENTS IS TRUE?
You will have to get your thinking head on good style, now, to get out of this one,
Swish

Dear Barney,
What Jimmy says is correct, you did come on this board to start with like dutching was the be all and end all and you were making fortunes. Now all you want to know is VDW. No problem with that, but you won't learn it from Guest, that's for certain. Forget him. He is just a dreamer that wishes he knew.
LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS
My certs are now making 100% profit on outlay and they are all NAMED BEFOREHAND. I don't go into any fancy waffle when they get beat. THINK ABOUT IT! If mine lose they lose, end of story.
Yours
swish

Swish - First off, I did not claim my 3 winners today as the 3 selections given by name on this thread before the events. I mentioned todays 3 bets in relation to Determineds question about my bets on Saturday. Surely even you can see that?

Q - Did I or did I not name Baracouda,Like A Butterfly and Landing Light as selections ?

Q - Did I claim to have revealed my 3 Saturday bets by name before the events ?

Q - Why does 3 Legs make a challenge then not even bother to respond win or lose ?

Q - Why does Jimmy attack others in a childish way and then starts moaning because he feels under attack from other ?

Q - Why does Swish think I haven't a clue about VDWs methods when he knows so little about the full methods himself ?

Actually I already know the answer to that last question and here it is plain and simple - Swish you are so far away from the truth regarding VDWs method it is embarrasing. You have no idea of the key factors that VDW was putting across and no idea of how I am implementing them all these years later.

Guest
This is getting silly .If you can achieve 80%+ winners why not put
the selections up before they run and shut
the skeptics up.You have a 2 out of 3 record
which is not very impresive .Any one with abit
of luck could do the same.I have more respect
for Swish ,at least he has the guts to give his selections before they run.If you had given the 3 winners you claim for saturday before they ran
i`m sure no one would be on your back now.2 out
of 3 is a very small sample and proves nothing.
If i could pick80%+ winners i would put them
up before they run just to prove it could be
done .The question is why don`t you?

regards

Maggsy

What makes you think I was moaning? What I said to Barney above was that I was surprised, that’s all. As far as being attacked is concerned, I’ve been attacked by experts and you just don’t count. As for being childish that fits you more than anyone else on the board. You’ve got a secret but your not telling anyone, what childish rubbish. You have been asked before why you are on here, you don’t want to divulge your secrets so the only reason seems to be is to combat your innate feelings of inadequacy, by telling us all that you are so brilliant hoping for praise to boost your ego. Then typically when someone questions your reasons you take it as an attack.
That’s something I’ve found on message boards before. When honest people like Quinnele, 111, Swish, Greg and others smell bullshit it often means it is there, and you and your disciple investor are full of it.

Jimmy

Maggsy - You are missing the point. I clearly stated my view about small samples of selections being pointless and proving nothing. Why do very few on this thread fail to read what is actually said ? It's no wonder so many fail to read between the lines where VDW is concerned.

It makes no difference to me if members believe any claims made. I was challenged to pinpoint some winners before the events, which I did, reluctantly not because I couldn't but because it was unlikely to satisfy the hecklers. The problem with such people is that it is clear from their postings that they all want easy pickings with little effort. They all jump up and down when all is not revealed and no magical winners are given up front, but when some are given they come out with the "anyone can pick a favourite" attitude. Betting for profit is not part of some tipping competition to satisfy egos. It is what it is - betting for profit, pure and simple.

Whilst I have stayed up to follow the thread tonight, amongst other things, I am not actually bothered in the overall scheme of things about hecklers. Some have emailed me for advice on the methods and I have responded to just about all of them. Most have taken the response in the spirit it was given, but it is disappointing to see some react with frustration.

There you go again Jimmy. Misquoting my posts. I've only continued with this line because it seems to be the way you and your fellow hecklers want to conduct things. How many times have you accused me of not giving a straight answer ? How many times have I asked you to confirm that I did or did not name 3 horses as good things of which 2 won ?

And again I refer you to Gummy's post "Superform" under General Racing Discussion.

Jimmy - I refer you to my posts during Cheltenham where I only named 3 selections beforehand. I couldn't have been clearer in stating who I thought were good bets.

Yes I also evaluated other races, that has to be done you know regardless of if there is a winner to be found, and where there was doubt I said so. Swish just lists endless reams of possibles he thinks should win (why? what is the point if they are not worthy of support?).