Barney
Iv'e not long ago said to my missus,There's a horse i really fancy tonight,Ah she says (not a bloody care in the world) of course i mean favoured option,But unfortunately i'm going to let it run,I'm concerned about the weight but i wish you the very best of luck if you play,I think i'm letting a goodun go here but there's always tomorrow.

Determined,

Historic newspapers allow you to hire newspapers.If you e mail research@research.clara.co.uk telling them what you want and ask for a hire price.

ROBERT,

Thanks.


AROWSON,

I hope you were on D.Gift.

Investor,

That pound is bothering me aswell.

Barney
LOL The horse as nearly everything i require to place a bet using what i consider to be vdw's methods,The form is good,The distance no probs,of course it's only 1lb but this is Wincanton and not carlisle,Be lucky if you play i'll be cheering the horse all the way to the line for you.

I have studied VDW and although I cannot find the key, what I have done is take the form and sort it in the
way VDW suggested. At the end of the day it is still based on opinion, but I see Hugs Dancer as clear
and Dubaian Gift dutched with Connect.

By sorting the form in this way it is extremely accurate but like the man says its also hard work.
(Hope the tables come out ok)

CHESTER, 07 May 2003, 2:55, Tote Chester Cup Showcase Handicap (Class B) (4yo+),Winner £69,600.00,(2m2f147y)2m2½f GOOD

Betting Forecast: 5/1 Big Moment, 11/2 Fortune Island, 7/1 Direct Bearing, Flownaway,
10/1 Hugs Dancer, 12/1 Bourgeois, Riyadh, Romany Prince

1. Hugs Dancer, ..............................................................Form = (7), Av = 70k, Ab = 52k
6762) 100% 98B 18f 5/4 Gd Nmk 69K (200 days)(g) (Chk Dist lengths) Same class B, BUT chk figures
11640) 172% 97B 13f 1/¾L Gd Yor 120K (259 days)(g) (UP in dist, + WIN)
1869) 27% 89C 21f 1/¾L GF Goo 21K (280 days) (Down in dist + WIN)
.................................. (100%)
2. Cover Up, ....................................................................Form = (12), Av = 49k, Ab = 20k
3045) 45% 105A 16f 5/10 Gd Nmk 29K (200 days)(g) (UP in dist, lengths) ***DOWN in class from A, No improv
6360) 94% 106A 18f 5/13 GF Don 60K (237 days) (Chk Dist lengths)
6496) 96% 112A 15f 2/1 Gd Yor 58K (260 days)(g) (UP in dist, PLACED)
.................................. (78%)
3. Big Moment, ..................................................................Form = (24), Av = 47.7k, Ab = 0
882) 13% 98C 12f 4/2 GF Nmk 9K (21 days) (UP in dist, lengths) UP in class from C, No improv
1120) 16% 80C 12f 10/20 Sft Don 14K (193 days) (UP in dist, lengths)
10320) 152% 86B 13f 20/16 Gd Yor 120K (259 days)(g) (UP in dist, lengths)
.................................. (60%)
4. Distant Prospect, ........................................................... Form = (15), Av = 36k, Ab = 78k
2668) 39% 92A 16f 7/15 Gd Asc 29K (7 days)(g) (UP in dist, lengths) ***DOWN in class from A, No improv
970) 14% 97B 16f 4/14 GS Nmk 10K (187 days) (UP in dist, lengths)
6762) 100% 98B 18f 4/4 Gd Nmk 69K (200 days)(g) (Chk Dist lengths)
.................................. (51%)


LINGFIELD, 09 May 2003, 3:15, Tote Placepot Stakes Showcase Handicap (Class D) (3yo+,0-85),Winner £6,968.00,5f GOOD

Betting Forecast: 11/4 Roses Of Spring, 5/1 Dubaian Gift, 6/1 Byo,
8/1 Eastern Trumpeter, Greenwood, 10/1 Armagnac, Connect, 12/1 Whistler

1. Devise, .............................................................. Form = (29), Av = 16k, Ab = 3k
132) 18% 33E 5f 15/19 St Sth 4K (8 days) (** DIST lengths) UP in class from E, No improv
671) 94% 61B 5f 14/8 GF San 11K (251 days) (** DIST lengths)
2145) 301% 65A 5f 9/9 GF Asc 33K (687 days) (** DIST lengths)
.................................. (100%)
2. Dubaian Gift, .........................................................Form = (17), Av = 9.3k, Ab = 6.2k
711) 100% 79C 5f 8/4 GF Eps 9K (16 days) (** DIST lengths) ***DOWN in class from C, No improv
355) 49% 71D 5f 8/5 Fm Thi 5K (28 days) (** DIST lengths)
1232) 173% 88C 5f 1/nk GF Hay 14K (244 days) ** DIST + WIN **
.................................. (78%)
3. Connect, ............................................................. Form = (19), Av = 9k, Ab = 4k
693) 97% 77C 6f 11/6 GF Rip 9K (37 days) (Chk Dist lengths) ***DOWN in class from C, BUT chk figures
1105) 155% 85B 5f 6/3 Gd Don 13K (50 days)(g) (** DIST lengths)
405) 56% 81D 6f 3/1 St Lin 5K (56 days)(c) (Chk Dist PLACED)
.................................. (74%)
4. Caustic Wit, ..........................................................Form = (29), Av = 10.7k, Ab = 5.5k
172) 24% 43E 6f 18/15 GF Wdr 4K (25 days) (Chk Dist lengths) UP in class from E, BUT chk figures
1200) 168% 60C 6f 20/12 GF Goo 20K (258 days) (Chk Dist lengths)
560) 78% 70C 6f 9/9 GS Nmk 8K (280 days) (Chk Dist lengths)
.................................. (64%)


Pre Race ;
WINCANTON, 09 May 2003, 7:30, Business Money Panto Prince Handicap Chase (Class D) (5yo+,0-120),Winner £5,486.00,(3m1f110y)3m1½f GD-FM


Favoured Option, ............................................................................................................... Form = (4), Av = 7.7k, Ab = 9.5k
1716) 100% 132D 24f 1/5 GF Crl 13K (20 days)(g) (UP in dist, + WIN) Same class D IMPROVING ***
792) 46% 132E 25f 1/22 GF Her 6K (34 days)(g) (Chk Dist + WIN)
464) 27% 116E 29f 2/3 Gd War 4K (56 days) (Down in dist placed ?)
.................................. (100%)
Un Jour A Vassy, ............................................................................................................... Form = (10), Av = 7.3k, Ab = 0
945) 55% 135D 24f 2/hd Fm Tau 7K (36 days) (UP in dist, PLACED) Same class D, No improv
738) 43% 123D 24f 2/5 Gd Kem 6K (77 days) (UP in dist, placed ?)
1071) 62% 119C 20f 6/22 GS Kem 9K (91 days) (UP in dist, Unpl)
.................................. (92%)
Wise King, ............................................................................................................... Form = (9), Av = 8.7k, Ab = 11k
590) 34% 118D 21f 3/3 Gd Nab 5K (18 days) (UP in dist, PLACED) Same class D, No improv
1) 0% 01D 19f 5/37 Gd Asc 10K (37 days) (UP in dist, Unpl)
1463) 85% 133D 21f 1/4 GS Wcn 11K (83 days)(c) (UP in dist, + WIN)
.................................. (69%)
Restless Wind, ............................................................................................................... Form = (8), Av = 5.7k, Ab = 4.7k
615) 35% 123D 24f 1/12 GF Hun 5K (18 days)(g) (UP in dist, + WIN) Same class D, BUT chk figures
702) 40% 117E 25f 2/5 GF Wcn 6K (50 days)(g)(c) (Chk Dist PLACED)
642) 37% 107D 27f 5/20 GS Tau 6K (162 days) (Chk Dist lengths)
.................................. (65%)

How do you get the tables to show corectly?

F*** me Nessie you must have taken the day off work to type that lot! It looks like the coded Jap attack plan on Pearl Harbour. I hope it works out for you.

Hello Nessie
there's a hell of a lot of work gone into that lot,I wish you well.

Determined

I have had a good look at the 2 sprints at Beverley and taking the 4.30 first, i would agree with you that Kangarilla has a good chance - i am concerned about actual weight carried, however the horse has ran ok twice with 9-11 so am not 100% sure on this.

Beyond the clouds would have been interesting apart from the terrible draw - will watch this one for next time out.

In the 2.30 i think Danger Over has the best form. The draw is not good though, but as you can dismiss 6 of the runners leaving only 7, maybe the draw may not have such an impact. If a decent price is available i will take this one.

Arowson
Well done with namind DUBAIAN GIFT and ROSES OF SPRING in exactly the right order.
Can't fault you buddy,
Cheers
Swish

Fulham,

I appreciate that I may have been generalising a little when I said that Investor is the laughing stock of the board. I realise that I can’t speak for everyone but I’m pretty sure that a good few on here are having a laugh at his expense, as he does himself no favours. If there was any other part of my post that you felt was inaccurate then I’d be grateful if you could point it out.

Investor still hasn’t answered my question, which again does him a discredit. After all it was him that remarked about the cost incurred when he punched a hole in his door. You wouldn’t have thought £15 to replace a door of that quality would have been an issue for someone who doubles his bank every month, would you?

This will be my final post on the matter.

Whether my posts are appreciated or not (as if) I like to give credit when it`s due: Chaz`s recent posts have been accurate, to the point, without flannel and above all honest. For that reason I expect they will be contested.

My only regret is his closure on the subject, which is a pity for several of the other thread readers since the subject matter doubtlessly won`t have the wit to keep his head down or his gob shut.

Chaz
I don't understand what your'e problem is,Iv'e spent the best part of a year shaking of people,Who have given me crap in the past,And then .... me somebody who has not even written 2 words to me starts giving me grief.I'll tell you something a little while back,When things were getting a bit heavy on here i asked Gummy to ban me,Because i was sick and tired of all the flak,Gummy was in delete mode and it must have been disregarded.

Going on to your'e point as to why i need vdw at all,Well i could ask the same question of you,Are you purely vdw I'm not But iv'e followed this thread from the start,I acquired the books i tried to get to grips with the methods and it has taken well over a year to get to the point i'm at now,Prior to that i always used systems by following this thread i understand form a lot betterWhich in turn can only be benneficial to any punter,If there's anything in my writing that doesn't satisfy your'e needs i'm sure you'll let me know.

Wad id I tel yer.

LLL
I was answering the man like he asked,Why don't you just keep out of it instead of stirring things up,It's got .... all to do with you.

Hi Determined,
It’s interesting you are going down the historic Newspaper avenue as this is one I looked into a long time ago and found as you have it is very expensive. I doubt very much they will have the papers you are after anyway as the further you go back the less availability they have. I also found they charge a fortune, which is just not worth it, when you can gain most of the information from the form books and with the help of Fulham offering to help with Abilty ratings, I feel this really is showing how good this board is in helping those who want to learn more, good on you, there are certainly many on this board who are helpful, and there is no gain for them monetary or otherwise but in the true nature of VDW, a smile costs nothing !!

On a separate subject which I believe has been raised before, what are peoples views on the comment
“When you have followed the method for some time it is easy to turn back to your records concerning a given horse and it will help to balance respective performances.”

Is VDW saying, looking back on a specific horse’s form from your records and balancing it with the race in hand or is, as is more probable the case he is saying look back on a similar example and see how that resulted and you will be able to balance the race in hand, as in there is no correlation to any of the runners in the race we are trying to evaluate.
Any thoughts.
Cheers Mimas.

Well what a shock,It's f..... laurel and hardy I suppose it won't be long before eveyone else piles in.

Ouch, cut to the quick!