All,

My suggestion that Funfair Wane is in form in hindsight does look rather pathetic given that he has finished 12th of 13 and last of 8 in his last 2 races.

No I haven`t been drinking.

Lets just say I`ve had a mad half an hour.

Nessie

Three questions regarding your tables if I may.

What is the %age figure that you show on your tables?

Also the 101A, 101C, 100C etc?

Finally the (g). Is this represent going conditions on the day?

nessie,

why is titurals 101a better than rainwasheds 103a and subsequent 106c?


Before titurels 101a he was only a 101c

just because they have not tried does not mean they are not able does it?

4.30 Beverley

Look where the 3 non runners were drawn.

Each of these horses were on my list of ones to keep an eye on and it will be interesting where they are all sent next time out.

Nice thinking Andrew, thanks!

John

Matty Tun as well now (5)

This one is also going on my list

Down to 16 runners and i see your friend has still got a couple left in

The bookies will now be v anxious to be rid of that 4th place with a draw bias like this one. Berry could do well for himself here!

Chaz,

2:30 Bev.

I make Danger Over the BEST HORSE in the race. (To be the best horse in my terms it's be the highest class horse that is in form. I have stopped calling my horses c/form because it can cause confusion with other people's c/form horses. My rating only rates horses if they have shown form in the class of the race, or above. Unlike some who work on a relative format). Draw a big worry, (don't understand why Guest worries about weight, but doesn't seem to think draw can be important. Apart from Dragon Flyer the form horses are drawn low, don't think this course will suit DF. No bet unless the price on Danger Over gets silly, 6, 7/1 would tempt.

2:45 Ling

Yes I have Huja as the BEST HORSE. However I would be surprised if he was a bet for me. I don't expect the price to be suitable, I would want 3/1 or better.

3:45 Ling.

I don't like this race. I have it very close between The Bonus King and The Lord as CLASS horses. Neither are in form, and I think both MAY be flattered, and the class element suspect. The consistent horses haven't proven themsleves in this class YET. Bonus, and Move It are both very close to achieving form in this class, but neither will be carrying my money.

I find today's racing a bit disappointing from a betting point of view. Just hope there will be some good pointers for the future.

Be Lucky

Barney VDW said class was kingpin and he viewed class related to prize money. Look at the prize figures. 101c is 101 postmark but in relation to the prize. I turned this to a %. Compare with last 3 ave (k) and ability(k) and form rating.

It is very interesting.

Don't forget the last 2 furlong comments these are also very important but I cna't fit those in as well just yet.

Mtoto,

Many thanks for your post, which was pretty much as I thought. Unlike Guest I happen to think that Danger Over will be inconvenienced by the draw. Huja is on my list of 2yo’s to follow at 3yo and I have backed him at about 13/8.

Dont let the "experts" put you off Determined. They might be nicer to you than some of us others but they are costing you dear. Well done with Funfair W!

Chaz

re the 2.45, this was not a race I looked at before the off, as I focus on handicaps which have kept me busy enough today, but I had a look at it afterwards in the light of your post.

If I'd looked at the race earlier I certainly wouldn't have selected, still less backed, the winner, as I can't see it as a form horse, despite the much higher class in which it has been running of late.

But of the form horses, from a VDW perspective surely Entrap was a clear selection over Huja, being markedly higher on both the standard ability rating and the time/merit check for these early/mid season 3yos (whether one uses Split Second's ratings, as I do, or Topspeed's). Clearly you saw it differently, and I'd be interested to know how you selected it from the VDW perspective.

LINGFIELD, 10 May 2003, 2:45, Chartwell Fillies' Stakes (Class A) (Listed Race) (3yo+),Winner £18,560.00,7f GOOD, 8 Runners

Presto Vento, ................................................................................................... Form = (23), Av = 103.7k, Ab = 45k
100% 101A 8f 9/7 GF Nmk 185K (6 days) (Chk Dist lengths) Same class A, CHK for improv
14% 94A 7f 7/4 GF Nby 29K (28 days) (** DIST lengths)
49% 95B 6f 7/3 Fm Red 97K (217 days) (Chk Dist lengths)
.................................. (100%)
Huja, ................................................................................................... Form = (8), Av = 47.7k, Ab = 4k
64% 104A 8f 4/3 GF Asc 116K (224 days) (Chk Dist lengths) Same class A IMPROVING ***
12% 104A 7f 3/1 GF Goo 23K (258 days) (** DIST PLACED)
1% 77D 7f 1/shd GS Kem 4K (283 days) ** DIST + WIN **
.................................. (47%)
Enchanted, ................................................................................................... Form = (21), Av = 26k, Ab = 4.7k
19% 83B 7f 10/5 GF Asc 43K (224 days) (** DIST lengths) UP in class from B IMPROVING ***
9% 95A 7f 6/3 GF Don 18K (240 days) (** DIST lengths)
8% 91C 6f 5/4 GF Sal 17K (247 days) (Chk Dist lengths)
.................................. (22%)
Curfew, ................................................................................................... Form = (13), Av = 17k, Ab = 8.3k
7% 90A 7f 4/6 GF Asc 16K (210 days) (** DIST lengths) Same class A, No improv
9% 94A 7f 8/3 GF Don 18K (240 days) (** DIST lengths)
9% 101C 6f 1/2 GF Sal 17K (247 days) (Chk Dist + WIN)
.................................. (15%)
Mameyuki, ................................................................................................... Form = (20), Av = 19k, Ab = 5k
6% 65A 9f 6/8 GS Nmk 18K (8 days) (Down in dist lengths) Same class A, No improv
6% 75A 8f 5/17 GS Nmk 16K (189 days) (Chk Dist lengths)
10% 85A 7f 9/7 GF Nmk 23K (389 days) (** DIST lengths)
.................................. (13%)
Glenviews Purchase, ................................................................................................... Form = (16), Av = 14.7k, Ab = 3k
8% 76A 6f 5/6 Gd Yor 22K (263 days)(g) (Chk Dist lengths) Same class A IMPROVING ***
5% 51B 6f 10/9 Gd Nmk 19K (280 days)(g) (Chk Dist lengths)
1% 70E 5f 1/2 Gd Bat 3K (300 days)(g) (UP in dist, + WIN)
.................................. (9%)
Entrap, ................................................................................................... Form = (4), Av = 7k, Ab = 6.3k
4% 103B 6f 1/½L Fm Yar 9K (320 days) (Chk Dist + WIN) UP in class from B IMPROVING ***
3% 108C 5f 2/¼L GF Lei 6K (340 days) (UP in dist, PLACED)
2% 90C 6f 1/3 Gd Kem 6K (369 days)(g) (Chk Dist + WIN)
.................................. (6%)
Miss Jingles, ................................................................................................... Form = (16), Av = 6.7k, Ab = 0
2% 83D 7f 4/1 Gd War 5K (5 days)(g) (** DIST lengths) UP in class from D, BUT chk figures
4% 73B 7f 12/9 GF Nmk 12K (24 days) (** DIST lengths)
1% 71F 8f 2/3 St Lin 3K (35 days)(c) (Chk Dist PLACED)
.................................. (4%)

Fulham,

I’ve been doing things a little differently lately after some discussion with Mtoto, so it wasn’t a selection that wouldn't fit the way you are doing things. I very rarely back horses first time out and this one reminded me why!

Mtoto,

Did you look at Mr Baxter Basics today?

Chaz

Thanks.

Everytime I try some modification of VDW, or go against his main precepts, I end up regretting it, as with failing to back Hug's Dancer. (Yes, Investor, it still smarts, despite other buses having been along since.)

Fulham
Why modify something,When you don't need to?

investor

Exactly the point I keep asking you. Why bother with VDW when you can double your bank every month without it? No one else on this thread using VDW can do that. Or were you telling porkies when you said that you doubled your bank every month?

Jimmy
Why is it that when certain posters start to play there stupid little games,You have to join in,I will say this once more I'M NOT A LIAR,Now get off my case i have no problem with you.

nessie,

those winners were available for backing by just blindly taking the horse with the highest ability rating as was Franklins gardens also.

Mtoto
I'm intrigued by your comments " Bonus and move it are very close to achieving form in this class" to my mind they were 1st and 2nd c/f there was nothing else that came into the equation,Bonus had improved no end from when last meeting Move it,Which was again evident in the horses s/f.