I thought today was very difficult,and couldn't find anything to fit the profile I look for.

Here's hoping tomorrow or Monday bring something that fits.Did anyone else find it the same.

Guest,

I thought persian lightening a cracking bet.

Mtoto,

Not all vdw's horses are based on blatently exposed form.

Barney,

Not quite sure what that last remark is all about. I am well aware there are different methods, but most if not all are based on class and form. When you say all the horses in the article are c/form horses are you applying an in form test, (along the lines Fulham uses)? or are you just assuming they are because they are VDW selections?

Pipedreamer,

I had a fair day today 3 bets (2 in the same race) and had 2 winners. So the short answer is no, I didn't think it was too hard today.

Walter,

Re Desert Deer, I agree he may well be flattered by his win, if judged purely on prize money to the winner of the Sandown race. For me he can only be judged by the class of the horses he beat, and were does that figure in his over all form? Surely, ability (class) can only be judged by what the horse HAS achieved when at his best?

Guest,

Lost me again. You seem to be implying Son Of Love should/can be judged by the speed/merit formula? As you have pointed out he hadn't recorded a s/f. Or are you suggesting nothing in the race had a relevant s/f?

Be Lucky

Guest you mentioned Olden Times in your summary of Desert Deers win at Sandown would you care to elaborate?, basically thats why i asked the previous question .

Mtoto
Would you elaborate on your'e winners from yesterday.

Mtoto,

Sorry if that sounded a bit short.


Guest,

regarding the handicap hurdle method.

I can see why the chasers would have been taken but the hurdlers could have been taken for just the same reasons, the only difference that they are not in the forcast area vdw said to inspect for chasers, that is the reason why I asked about gaye chance.

Another apparently innocuous statement is bothering me as well.

In that section "must be prepared to work"

VDW states that the chase method's selections described are found "without the aid of the sporting chronical" has this ever struck you? Did you make anything of it?

Barney
I don't quite understand how you can say that Persian Lightning was a cracking bet,11/1 shots don't come along like buses.I certainly wouldn't have backed this horse,I think it's Guest's way of pointing us in the right direction,Not an indication of a good thing.

Ah well,

thats where we are different.

I also note that only one newspaper tipster selected it, he selects a lot of mine him.

Barney
Does that mean you did or you didn't put money on Persian Lightning.

Investor,

Much as you like to think you have found all the answers, you have not.Much as I have not.

We have disagreed on virtually all of the last three or four points, lingo, nyasaen the book the otherday.

Why should this be any different?

Pipedreamer

My experience yesterday was the same as yours, and I can't say I've found today much different. Plenty on both days with bits of chances, but nothing sufficiently solid to induce me to lay out the Fulham millions!

Fulham,

do you have capricho in or out of form?

barney
I'm just trying to understand the logic That's all.I fully understand your evaluation on Nysean and co,And gave my reasons why i wouldn't play,You seem to think that lingo had no chance,As far as i'm concerned the form was there for all to see.Guest says vdw would have let it run,But it was by far the most likely winner.Probably a bit of good fortune on my part,But just because Guest mentions a horse,Does it neccesarily mean it's a good thing.And your'e right mate,I haven't even scratched the surface of this yet.

investor.

I am loath to disclose any points on that horse because its not my claim.

Suffice to say that if you have not found good reasons to support that horse you are not looking hard enough, using vdws methods of rating it came out top for me.

Guest put it here to discuss, so I hope he does not mind - which was the class form for that race the class 232 of nadhour al bahar or the close 5th behind lingo and broadway score?

That is not the whole of the relativety argument for that horse race but it will get you looking in the right place.

Barney
I ain't looking nowhere,To my mind there was no bet in the race.If Guest says different then i'll have to seriously think about that particular race,And he didn't leave it open for discussion he just mentioned it.

LOL.

Barney
I know what you mean LOL

Barney

On the numerics, Capricho is not a form horse in the context of today's race, but how are we to evaluate "eased when beaten inside final furlong"? My general rule is when in doubt, treat as a form horse, and if one does that Capricho is the c/f. But can we be sure that he will reverse placings with both Attache and Royal Millenium? I can't, and for me the questions in this race don't end there. So, like several yesterday and today, it will be left, and I'll merely grind my teeth when it wins!

Good luck if you back it.

Fulham,
I'm in the same boat again today,nothing solid,although there appears to be a couple from the two to three year old method.

Mtoto glad you had a good day,were one of your winners at Brighton?

Guest
Persian Lightning,I see where your coming from,but there were other negatives to prevent it from being a bet in my view.

Fulham,

Thanks for your comments they are much appreciated.

I will not be backing it myself I just wondered how you saw it.