beverly the most draw bias course in the country,
42% of races were won by horses drawn in the top 3 stalls with an average field size of 14.5 runers assuming there was no bias you would expect a 20.5 percent figure
this is over the last 6 yrs not just a few meetings.
if in the last 6 yrs you had placed £10 on the highest stall you would be £275 in profit
the centre of the course rides 6 lenghts slower than the far rail.
DRAW IS NOT IMPORTANT??????

and when there is no bias pace is the most important factor,ovbiosly im talking hcap sprints,as bias does not really effect non hcaps but hcaps are tighter affairs and drawn well produces that little extra!!!!!!!

thanks again for that help with breeding

consistent form + ability + capability + probability + hard work = WINNERS

not one of them or two, but ALL OF THEM.

chat room?

guest?,chat

still on greg?

I have tried to tell Guest and others before, that what is the point of letting people with less knowledge pick the odds for you. There was no response and never will be.

Anyone who has never worked to ................

Oh forget it I am bored with it all.

I have TRIED and TRIED to drill information in. Its pointless.

Lets all ignore the draw, ignore race times, ignore drops in class, not bother looking at dangers outside the obvious, instead we'll add up prize money won, make sure the horse got a few places recently, read if it "ran on" or not and let that be our deciding factor or factors, yeah lets go for it and we can all meet in the poor house in 2 months time.

One can say, why do I bother even looking in on the thread?

Don't know really, its some sort of hypnotic fascination, in what "new" VDW idea pops up next.

I shall say this though, the day I see winners (not dutched) coming regularly at decent odds against from this thread I will eat my hat and 25 lbs of humble pie,

For anyone new to this board who may be wondering if I can do better just look through my postings and see how many winners I have given over the last year,
Anyway, I am going now (phew! I hear some say),
Cheers
Swish

its you who is ignoring everything, almost all the points you mention have been covered over and over again any number of times.

glad you have stopped banging on about speed figures though.

do you really think that everyone is not considering every available fact of form

some are doing far more than SF up up up down.

bloody hell, anybody can do that.

you wont have it that there is more "that is your problem"

just been to the VDW opening page and a sudden blast of irony hit me full on

VDW (CONTINUED) TOPIC STARTER SWISH

you have never tried to add anything different to your stratergy, its not CONTINUED for you its stopped, before the first furlong marker thinking thats the winning post.

and thats a laugh not dutching, I am sure you will correct me if i am wrong


You put two or three selections in every race up and down the cards for about six - weeks we can all find tons of winners doing that.

I cannot deny that you appear to have tried very hard to get to grips with the game (although i wish you wouldn't be so cryptic at times).

I like a blunt forthright answer, which is what you have just done regarding your opinion to my post. You have took some stick from myself, and others too, but kept to your task.

I cannot knock you for that because I like determination.

Determination breeds success in any way of life.

You must should see though that some facts are irrefutable and it gets annoying to myself when they are ignored.

There are or purport to be some hidden factors that only VDW followers know.

Well yes they are because I know them (or know some of them).

From what i have read on here I don't think many of you know what I know (and perhaps I don't know what some of you know).

It isn't true that I have stuck to what I knew when I wrote page 1 of this thread, but what is true is that (with the help of others and my computing knowledge (not making the bloody thing work!) I have learned far more, on top of what i knew + as info builds up I am learning more and more).

I feel a bit insulted when Guest says the draw is irrellevant providing one has picked the right horse, because I know what he says is rubbish, and so have several members of the board, (not only the draw but other things too as I/others have mentioned. Let's face it he has just picked a string of losers (NOT THAT i HAVEN'T IN THE PAST, NOR YOURSELF).

All he ever does is come across that he knows it all and won't ever respect or except anyone elses advice. To me that is idiocy. I, personally have learned a lot from good members of the board.

Fair enough if he was getting winner after winner and defying draw, speed etc etc BUT HE DOES NOT DOES HE?

Of course it could be that he named all those losers to throw us off the scent. If so that is sad, but not for me because I have only had about 2 losing weeks in the last 20.

Combine some of the knowledge from people like myself with whatever your 'secret factors' are something may come of it.
All the best
Swish

Just seen your last post.
Yes that is true but you must have seen my analysis too that showed my top rated made most of the money, blimey I worked hard to give people those winners,
Swish

all the best to you as well Swish,

not the usual tripe and for that you deserve respect,

as you say we are all still learning and we have all picked losers.

its too easy, although it seems to me "human nature", to pick on an isolated "apparent" flaw in someones behavour or statements they have made and with that weapon dismember their whole strategy and approach to, what is all our objectives, winner finding.

If Guest thinks that draw doesnt matter and you do , well you should count your blessings because that gives you an edge.

that doesn't mean that he or anyone else should be ignored or not heeded in other aspects of their work and research. That I'm sure you would agree is small minded and would narrow the field of opportunity for finding new edges even more.

With all the clarity that Guest has displayed in recent months I would not blame him for muddying the water one little bit.

once again swish all the best
as you know I will discuss any race at all

I know it sounds mad but I quite enjoy these little banters.

Why? I have no idea.

Cheers
Swish

It came about because Guest said he picked BIRJAND by "another method".
The OBVIOUS reason was the draw (plus other factors).
He doesn't name his 'other method' so I assumed it was the draw.
Perhaps it was we shall never know, not really,

Swish

I don't mind discussing a race (I really mean that), but how the hell are we going to do it without revealing the secret/hidden factors?
My way won't be your way or vice versa.

Anyway pick any race tomorrow and we shall see what we can do,
Swish

I explained the "other method" more or less straight away on another thread.

You find it and look into it if you can be bothered. it would have won no matter what course or draw against that field.(should not have said that should I)


PROBLEM

I work days you work nights

lets get gummy to get that bloody chat room fixed up. I always have trouble with it. saturdays is worst for me GOLF comes first and I'm off at eleven but I will be up at 5-30 and Rp in hand by 6-15

Bloody Golf
My god

your talking to the 2002 matchplay champion I will have you know.

I'm not just a pretty face!