EpiG,

The 50/1 was the result of the -60 form figs. All Gosden did was keep quiet.

He's the one who knew that Pevensey was a 220k Euro foal, brother to the 2004 French 10f winner Steel Princess. The Dam, Champaka, is an unraced sister to 6 winners including the listed Prix De Thiberville winner and the G3 12f Lancashire Oaks third String Quartet and the Irish listed 10f winner and subsequent U S G1 second Casey Tibbs. The second Dam, Fleur Royale (by Mill Reef), a v useful winner of the G2 10F Pretty Polly Stakes, was 2nd in the Irish Oaks and is a half sister to the dam of the smart colts Nomrood, Alleging, and Monastry.

Pevensey is of course owned by that ardent student of VDW, Sheikh Mohammed.

Here is what Gosden said about Pevensey to Steve Taplin at the beginning of the season:

"He's a nice little colt but he'll probably want 10f in time. Therefore I'm not going to sharpen him up, I'm going to let him start off at 7 furlongs."

Gosden probably knew (unless he's a big fan of VDW) who Pevenseys' sire was too.

i personally have no interest in your sire stats,it's about class and form and what horses have achieved on the track

but most horses achieve new things you don't know beforehand when passing through their careers so fitting some kind of photo fit for future winners on a few past winners isn't going to get you anywhere.

the statement about only backing a horse to do what it has done before is such a load of over generalised British pedaled rubbish.

very few horses do exactly what they have done before as the game is full of so many variables.

one of those variables is breeding..if you think it irrelevant then you have lost a piece of the jigsaw before you even start.

this thread really is going nowhere..i do like reading it as I just have the hope that it may move forward but that is impossible.

You VDW lads have not an interest in picking winners..it's not possible to do so with your heads so far up your arses.

too much ego..too little actual knowledge apart form olympic standard after talking about horses that just happen to suit a convenient pattern, out of a race full of similar types, that not one has yet pinpointed with any confidence before the race.

come on guys, lets drop this superiority bollox and talk racing.

ectoo -

They wouldn't know a horse - if it "Kicked them to death in the Stable" !

T.c
Shut the thread down,it matters not to me.Now let's get one thing straight,I am not a parasite,I have an opinion on something that i have looked very closely at for nearly 3 years.That particular subject is vdw and funnily enough that is the name of this thread,The trouble is with you is.You have no intention of getting to the bottom of the methods,You haven't got the form books to check out the examples,SO HOW CAN YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON VDW.There is one simple answer to that question.You Can't and never will be able to give any kind of help to me whatsoever.So close the f.....g thread,I asked when i first came back,Why had you kept it going,You came up with some bollocks,All you want T.c is everything on a plate without ever trying to find out for yourself.I said last night that there are givers and takers,You most definately fall into the latter category.So go on then shut the thread down or get Gummy to ban me,Because it will stop me from looking at the bollocks that you put up.

JiB: There are two ways to make money, prizes or betting, was that a high enough prize to justify not betting?

VDW is not an "Answer" -

VDW is a "Fulcrum"

EpiG,

Who said they didnt bet it?

It opened at 66/1. I dont suppose it would have been too difficult to sneak a couple of thousand on it in 20s and 50s.

Not a huge coup but it'll pay his expenses till the end of the season.

I take it then - that you have no intention or wish to join the "Forum" ?

In my eyes - that makes you a "Parasite"

investor

Well said.I have been working on van der wheil for 2 years myself.How is it going for you this season?

Hold your foot up, Investor! I don't want you to jack; we need your comments and, you know you've got a customer for those form books.

Raffingora made a request earlier. You're not going to walk away now, are you?

Btw, shouldn't you be using one of those purple -headed, one eyed, angry, snarling smileys when you're all het up?

Keep going. Don't stop now. Keep smiling!

JiB: Okay, I didn't know that. How were the market moves on the stable's other runners?

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You haven't got the form books to check out the examples

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Has anyone counted - how many times - this sentence has been written on this thread ?

Ectoo
of course it's impossible,And i don't think it would take einstein to realize why,There are folk on here who have spent a lot of hours looking at form books ad they form an opinion around wa they have seen in the examples that vdw gave.Then you have the likes of T.c Who probably doesn't know what a form book looks like continuing a vdw thread,Absolutely criminal.

In the ultimate wheel of fortune

There is a couple of pages on breeding,Where he mentions the likes of mill reef, Najinsky Shirley heights and a few others.In one paragraph he says.

"The method employed has it's roots in breeding and basic training techniques and although i use it myself as part of my strategy i have always been ultra selective and limit my wagers to about a DOZEN.

It is rare for one to fail and the stakes are very high"

But right at the very end of the article he says.

"IT MAKES SENSE TO BASE FINAL OPINION ON WHAT A HORSE DOES IN PUBLIC AND NOT ON PEDIGREE OR PRICE TAG.

T.C
Stick to cricket and rugby,No doubt your far better at that.

EpiG,

Sandys Legend 25/1 (11th):
Opened 25/1, touched 33/1
£12000-£360

Sparkford 8/1 (12th):
Opened 13/2, touched 8/1
£5000-£600

These are from the Sporting Life results, only the bigger ring bets are recorded. Smaller bets and in other bookies, exchanges, etc are not recorded.

Try -

"Choisir" !!!

Slow Computer or not - JIB is a "Damm sight Quicker " than me at "spotting " posts -


I just have to "echo" his advice !

JiB: Interesting. I dont look at maiden races as winning form is one of my prime considerations, I'll take a look at the race tomorrow.

EpiG,

Dont let me put you off but I 've been watching Gosden for some time now and what had me onto the 405N was his record of 2yo non hcps there.

Gosden is something of a creature of habit and seems to stick to what he likes (I'd love to know why and how he makes his preferences) but I was following more the trainer than the sire today.