Snow Knight: As at least two members found your comments helpful I offer my apologies for pointing out how unhelpful I found them.

Bad Head epi ???


Fulhams memory does linger on tho !!

From my own point of view, - post race comments are appreciated, only if the member made - constructive - pre-race comment !

Epi
Allthough very sweet on Rakti did I not say Warrsan was a standout e/w bet pre race?So at least one post yesterday named a placed horse.

Rmd: Okay, thanks for pointing that out.

I agree that the class/form horse can be frustrating. It works best in non-handicaps. I would not worry about what ratings to use. I used the RPR to decide not to bet on Majestic Desert in Ireland before the event as I stated earlier. Its a case of getting everything in your favour before you plunge in.
Would you put a £500 bet on a horse where another in the race is rated higher? Would you do the same if it was driven out to win? Would you risk a big bet if the horse has not performed over the distance? I think not.
Backers got there fingers burned with North Light and Ratki, but the danger signs were in black ink. You don't need a computer or a key to work it out.

Snow Knight

VDW said that Handicaps were his happy hunting ground
The trouble with VDW's insistance to back in the Highest class races makes for very competitive events ,Minefields, especially the big handicaps that the bookies try to tempt you to bet in,with their odds plastered all over the racing papers
They cant be anything else but competitive given the money and prestige on offer

I think the Fav has won once out of the last 12 runnings of yesterdays Coral eclipse

Handicaps are a happy hunting ground. VDW used a variety of methods and towards the end gave horses that had been found using methods previously not shown.
The class/form horse highlights about 15-20 bets a year most of which win. Some seem to think that it will throw up winners every Friday and Saturday and that is not the case.

I have not looked at Prominent King for years. I am also a poor record keeper. The class/form selections I have had over the past few months (Taken from my Betfair account) are Beef or Salmon(April), Hardy Eustace, Gonfilia(May) and Soviet Song(May) There was also a loser but i could not find it. I would gladly post one in advance but there may be a long wait.

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Originally posted by epiglotis:
Biotechnology: It's nothing to do with getting a keg, I'd be happy to get new ideas and imput, but sure as **** I dont want to read trivial Fulham style crap. I think the choice of race was incorrect, simple as that, any view?

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Epi
Its not a race in which I was that interested, although I thought I would have a bit of 25/1 E/W on African Dream.The Old Newton Cup was the race to get into yesterday & thank god we dont have to read Fulhams drivel anymore.
Bio

Just want to say thank you to you guys for your postings, I have only just recently become a member, still trying to read my way through all these posts, and as a result of that it may be some time before I can post anything, but just wanted to say thanks.

Is Attraction one of those few class/form bets today?.

Well I'm backing it. But from a VDW perspective, I'm not so sure it is. (LTO prize money???) But I am no expert in the ways of the force!

(Although, at the last census, I did state my religion to be "Jedi" )

I just think Attraction is the best horse in the race, will go out all guns blazing, and run the others - including Soviet Song - off their feet.

BlackCat

Of course, I could be wrong.

A horse cannot be kept at its peak indefinitely. Attraction won the 1000gns at the beginning of May, over two months ago.

Would everyone agree then that the only reason you would not have Attraction as one of those special 15-20 class/forms per year was the fact that Soviet Song was coming from a higher class race l.t.o?.If this is not the case then it would be interesting to hear the other reasons why she did not qualify as one of these specials?.

John,
Her last performance acording to ratings was her best so far this season & comments were impressive thus giving no signs to my eyes pre-race that she had gone of the boil, can you help in this respect?.

Walter
It wasn't necessarily that she had gone of the boil.
Generally speaking, all-aged form is better than 3yo form, and form in mixed races is invariably stronger than fillies only races, which may give the answer to today's result.
Don't know that I would've been so convinced before the race, but at least the result supports it.

WP,

Horses lose weight after a race. If that weight was mostly fat then presumably nto the animal will be as good as if not better if asked to win.

However it is reasonable to assume that after a certain amount of hard racing, that will be idiosyncratic to the animal involved, all the fat has been burned off and and muscle has been used as a replacement.

At this point it is unlikely that the horse will reproduce what it had been doing. To me Attraction had had too many hard races (she had been winning) in a short period of time. As these races were at the v highest level it was unlikely that the sequence started with her having much spare fat to burn.

It is important to remember that horses are gotten fit by a careful balance of diet and walking and/or swimming. V little hard galloping is done.

Maybe 3yr old fillies just a bad bunch.

But the winner had never reached Attractions level in her puff & yet raced more often, even raced more often this season lol.

Id like to know why Attraction was not one of the 15-20 class/form specials that we can hae the bucks on every year?.