Rakti was a no bet today. If you remember VDW said to look at how a horse faired in the last furlong. Ratki as well as pulling hard earlier in the race was driven out to win. All its group1 wins were on good or good/firm. By now the alarm bells should be ringing.

Snow Knight

Nice to see a new contributor !

Please don't be shy about coming forward -

there is an unfortunate tradition on this thread - that you don't post until after the event !

We are now, trying to break this tradition !!

We mostly get egg on our face, but we all learn from the posts !!

A few reasons for a choice do not go amiss !!

Welcome !

Fair enough snow knight im well prepared to learn.Was this horse actually out of form going into this race then?.

As was North Light at Epsom.I am becoming very wary of horses that were driven out to win,or have the no extra comment after their name.

Pipedreamer, Jock Bingham went on about this he said in one of his books that if a horse was driven out it was having a hard time in the class.

I did not back it for the reasons given. I was using the class/form method which would highlight Rakti. I also considered Majestic Desert in Ireland, yet to run, and I have left that one alone as tropical Lady is rated higher. It does not mean that Majestic D. will lose it just means that I want everything in my favour when I place a bet. Her form looks very good.
No extra is another comment to avoid. Bingham stated that in his booklet, unless the race was fast.

I keep looking at - "Final Furlong" !!!!

No Kidding-

Refuse to Bend was low on my list - until I saw - the number of Arabs in the Parade Ring !!

I lumped on at EW as a real "Value Shot" !!!!

Bingo !!

Well done Tup/cat. Its more than I've done. I did not have a bet today, yet spent hours going through the cards. Will look on the forum another time. Cheers

Jock Bingham is reported as dead - by Tony Peach !

I think one of the VDW crowd, has suggested that it was "Suicide " !

If so - Sad !

just looked before switching off.
Jock Bingham died a few years ago.
he made some good contributions, especially trainers Track Tips. After that He tried to become a tipster and failed miserably. He also frequently sold publications that did not include the full story and people would become angry and frustrated. He got greedy but he did provide some good clues in some of his publications and perhaps got more bad press than he deserved

Snow Knight

The alarm bells rang for me about Rakti but I decided to cock a deaf un. However, I did take the precaution of ordering my bet with betfair at 3/1 (which is actually 2/1). I did not know the result till late this afternoon, so having seen the s.p. at 13/8 I thought I had got away with it but no such luck. Chalk up another loser.

What worried me was the sudden change in going, which usually spells disaster. All the horses’ preparation would have been done on the gallops, which would have been riding good/firm. I wonder if the trainer would have run him if it hadn’t have been for the million pound bonus.

It is situations like this, where Rakti was the clear selection and failed, that cause so much frustration with the VDW method.

JIB

Seems to be compulsory - if you want to become an MP !!!

I dont know who Snow Knight is but congratulations on a piss useless excuse for a contribution is my feeling. Nobody put up the winner or as far as I can see even a placed horse, there's a VDW assertion to the effect that "if you're doing it right we'll have the same selections", the mere fact that contributors had no agreement suggests that either the race was unsolvable or you didn't do it right. You choose.

Epi
Snow Knight is a newbie, & there is no excuse for detrimentation to a new posters thread.Why would any newbies want to post on OUR forum when they are met with hostile postings from a generally respected member, r u on the saki again Epi.
As far as todays racing was concerned the change in going made most bets a no no, wait till the ground hardens.
Bio

I dont need an excuse, post race comments are piss useless in this situation. Why do you think this thread never progresses?

Snow Knight
I would not waste my time if I were you trying to find the key to VDW as you never will-it does not exist-computer programs have tried to piece together all the info the so called "Flying Dutchman" has delivered to us mere mortals & still they cannot co-relate the teachings the professor has given us.You will find good things in Gp 1's & 2's, but forget about handicaps as you will be in the poorhouse.Keep posting me old san as you will find we are all decent dudes here except when we get a keg in us, then the posts can get a bit abusive-no grudges bared.
Cheers Bio

Biotechnology: It's nothing to do with getting a keg, I'd be happy to get new ideas and imput, but sure as **** I dont want to read trivial Fulham style crap. I think the choice of race was incorrect, simple as that, any view?

Snow Knight
Junior Member

posted July 03, 2004 06:02 PM
Rakti was a no bet today. If you remember VDW said to look at how a horse faired in the last furlong. Ratki as well as pulling hard earlier in the race was driven out to win. All its group1 wins were on good or good/firm. By now the alarm bells should be ringing.

Hi Snowknight
There is far more merit in this post than Epi gives credit for; if you knew Epi, that wouldn't be a surprise.
Rakti has won on soft ground; class horses can get away with running in the wrong circumstances if they are not too highly tried, but would have to be super-equine to do it at the very top level.
His form clearly shows that although he had won 21k races on soft ground, every time he had tried above that level he had failed ( 0/3 ) and the only time he had run over 10f on good ground he had won, but only just.
For a horse who his trainer had described as 'possibly the best miler in the world' and ' 10f on fast ground' as his ideal trip, he was never going to get home yesterday, particularly the way he wanted to go faster than everything else in the early stages.
There were good reasons to think that my selection, Powerscourt, would run better than he did, but I too, got it wrong on this occasion.
As it turned out, another to have disappointed on soft ground in the past won it, but Epi is probably correct in saying that it was a bad choice of race as there are very few top level 10f races run in yesterday's conditions.
That won't stop me posting on future races though, nor should it others. It was almost busy on here for a while.

ps Epi. John Francome posed an interesting question yesterday. " Would Rakti have been running, if it were not fot the £1m bonus"?

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