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JIB - Considering there were 17 runners that is some feat. In fact Rooster Booster was 7th in the ratings, but as I clearly stated before that race he was the class/form horse. Which bit don't you understand?

It would be amazing though if you showed us all how racing works via a demonstration in winner finding.
 
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JIB
It is you who doesn't understand,And like a lot of people who come on this thread,It's how vdw interpreted form that puzzles.I'm not for one minute saying i know it all,because i most certainly don't but i understand the form part.These things have been explained in the past but because the subject doesn't really interest you,Or you don't understand how the methods tick you pick fault.

I could say the same about your sire stats,And no doubt you would defend them because you have done a lot of research,And found that they work,So why do you find it so hard to accept that vdw works going back to your sire stats here's a nice quote

"In humans,The children of highly intelligent peopledo not automatically turn out professors and it is equally true that many exceptionally brilliant offspring are born to relativelyuneducated parents

It makes sense to base final opinion on what a horse does in public and not on pedigree or price tag" Smile
 
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    Chocolate Fireguard
    Guest,
    As I have said before, if you are happy with the way your methods "found" RB for his last two races why should my complaints be of any concern? I sincerely wish you good luck as I think you will need it.
    As you are the only person I know who claims to have cracked the mysteries of winner finding or believes himself to have solved the legend of the "missing link" I shall leave all demonstrations of winner finding to yourself. You seldom disappoint, even when you drop your clangers the spectacle of you juggling your c/f horses is highly enjoyable.
 
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    Mendel
    Investor,
    Form can be made meaningless by human hand. Form can be engineered to appear what it is not. That, put simply, means that form is not reliable. Your methods will work when all the form is reliable, but like the concept of Utopia, that is a rare event. Even worse for your methods is that even when the form is valid they can still miss what is happening.
    If you wish to discuss your genetic theories feel free to do so on the Sires view thread, though you will be surprised to learn that genetic inheritance varies from species to species and is as different between humans and horses as between humans and fruit flies.
 
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JIB
If your quite happy the way you "find" your selections using stats,Then no doubt even you have losers,Don't you?
 
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JIB
What's all this sub heading crap,Like i said earlier,YOU don't understand the interpretation of form the way it was put across in the books,And like i said you defend sire stats because you've researched them,I wouldn't dream of coming on your thread and trying to slag of something that neither interests me or i know nothing about,Maybe it's about time you did the same.
 
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Originally posted by john in brasil:
.... though you will be surprised to learn that genetic inheritance varies from species to species and is as different between humans and horses as between humans and fruit flies.


does this mean that the latest bit of research indicating that 20 continuous minutes on your mobile is enough to fry your brain is invalid as it is based on the effects on fruit flies?

Confused
 
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    Control Freak
    Investor,
    If I am to understand your last contribution, do I take it that you want me to stop using headlines on my posts?
    Am I also to understand that I should only contribute if it is in praise of this thread? That all criticism should be self censored?
    I am also at a loss why you want to question the Sires thread on the vdw one, perhaps if it is not too much trouble you could clear these points up.
 
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    A Doctor writes...
    IMP,
    I ve not read this article but I presume it deals with cell damage in a living organism.
    Breeding deals with the way an organism aquires its traits. In horses racing ability seems to be linked to the Y ('male') chromosome at least in distances less than 2 miles, above that, principally NH racing the damsire seems to aquire more importance. Other than this I am afraid I have difficulty in understanding the process.
 
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Would it be possible for you to post up your thoughts on tomorrows Irish racing,if you have any.Your previous posts on Irish racing have been well appreciated to date,and are always informative.

Today I also had the Rooster Booster,and the very generously priced Cameron Bridge,got 1/2,in the 3.05 Hereford,using another vdw method.
 
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Jib
I will get back to you tomorrow,iv'e been beckoned to my bed,and that takes preference.Night night. Smile
 
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The rooster was beat by the proverbial nose over an unproven distance, if he`d won the world of vdw would be rosy & the questions raised thereafter by the doubters wouldn`t even have been asked imho, im sure some of the same doubters must be closet experts really.
 
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JiB,

Now look what you`ve gone and done, you asked 3 questions all at the same time and the poor lads had to take to his bed! No doubt a haven of no form and little class.
 
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Walter - As I have said before, I rarely make excuses for a horse getting beaten when I have backed it. Usually the best horse wins fair and square. JIB is making a mountain out of a mole hill by using Rooster Booster as evidence that VDWs methods don't work. The fact that the same method pinpointed Rooster Booster and Intersky Falcon as the only horses to back in the Champion hurdle seems to elude him though. Why?
Because he hasn't the first clue as to how to implement VDWs ideas.

I have never claimed to have all the answers, but I have laid claim to seeing much of the way VDW intended us to use his guidelines. JIB clearly looks down his nose at VDW and his approach. Fair enough, it's a free world, in the main. I can only assume JIB moved to Brazil for tax purposes. For someone who seems to know so much about racing, he's moved himself an awfully long way from the action.
 
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    Guest,
    You have me at a disadvantage as I am not ashamed to say where I am.
    Once again you seem to regard ex-patriots as somehow inferior, perhaps this time you could tell me what your grievance is about my location. Though I am at a loss to understand what my longitude and latitude has to do with my opinion of Rooster Booster.
 
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John, im sure you must know about vdw otherwise you would not get involved in the discussions lol.
 
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Im cooking at the moment gents will get back to you shortly.
 
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hi john, im here if you wanna chat.
 
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    WP,
    If you look at the time of my post on the RB race yesterday, you will see I realized that I had to make my comments before the off otherwise my point wouldnt be taken seriously if made later. I might as well have posted it in the Baghdad Telegraph!!
    My main consideration about VDW is that it is an enormous mistake to think that form is entirely decided by the horse and as such if decyphered will reveal the winner. The human mind is responsible for the biggest part of a horses form and as such it is as complicated as the motives it hides.
    However good you become at reading form it will mean nothing if you fail to see when it has been superceded by other circumstances.
 
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No takers, no probs im off to bed take care all god bless.
 
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