did you eventually find anything of use in our little chat the other day?

I have rechecked some early examples

celtic pleasure
little nugget
battlement
strombulus
orchestra
derrylin
And rifle brigade

they all have both and can be found in minutes.


I bet that vdw couldnt get his money on fast enough in some of those. Phew.

I think orchestra was a more outstanding bet than celtic pleasure.


The nearest yesterday was fondmort, pity that wasn't c/f

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Does anyone have the characteristics of the Irish courses - L/H, R/H, galloping, tight, stiff, flat, undulating etc etc

I cut out and keep the little maps from the rp.

Which course? I may have it.

I can also confirm that G.hall had indeed found the key although swiss maid was a bit borderline.

Uther pendragon does not fit and is not a vdw selection.

Are you still around?

you always said they were enough.

You keep going on about mammies and daddies,Brothers,sisters,Grandma's,And grandad's At the end of the day it all boils down to,What they've achieved on the racetrack

also pragmatic and inside quarter and if you look lyric dance is a beacon light relatively.

I know why he didnt back it though.

selecting winners the vdw way has nothing to do with what thery have achieved on the track.

Achievments are only usefull pointers and they mean nothing in the descision to bet or not.

So when Vdw says,He likes to judge class by what a horse has achieved in public,And by no other means,Are you saying this quote is rubbish,If you are,You better think again my friend.

class is determined by what a horse achieves in public and is most definatley not rubbish. What I am trying to say that this is not the determining factor in whether vdw placed a bet or not.SEE lyric dancer.

The c/f but not a bet, why?

I think you have got your wires crossed mate, backing the VDW way has everything to do with what they have achieved on the track, and little to do with breeding.

There is lots to be taken into consideration,I could give you names of horses (recent)that to my mind were good things,I would like to cast your mind back to a wonderful little horse called Reform,AS we know it's a process of elimination,Maybe what theyv'e achieved in public is not the detrmining factor(the way you interpret vdw) but it's most definately an important part of the formula.

go on then, it wouldnt take five mins to check them all.

Barney

I assume you mean our exchanges of postings, otherwise you are confusing me with someone else, as I've never used the chatroom facility.

I'm afraid I can't sort these examples out as quickly as you and, with respect, I'm not sure you are right about some, ie

Little Nugget - for me, the wording is ambiguous. I'm not at all sure that this was a VDW selection. Possibly just one mentioned to show the potential of a horse with a low consistency rating outside the fist five/six in the forecast (which LN most certainly was). You'll recall VDW emphasised the worth of looking at such horses, something of which Statajack recently reminded us;

Uther Pendragon - I'm not clear whether this was a selection or not, again the text is, to me, insufficiently explicit;

Lyric Dance - I would suggest that the text suggests that this was both a selection and a bet for VDW.

I am comfortable that I understand (and agree) with all the examples you've named (except UP, if indeed that was a selection, as I've not yet studied that properly). But I do not believe for one minute that Mr Hall had found the key - rather, he found four selections that VDW confirmed as good things, which is something rather different.

The fundamental issue (methodologically speaking) is what approach (or plurality of approaches) clearly and unambiguously finds all VDW's selections. Guest has indicated that his does/do. I'm a long way from completing examination of the now 143 races I've logged as examples for analysis, but so far, so good. As for whether any approach can really find all these, or indeed any of them, "in minutes", as you put it, is something about which I'm currently sceptical, but I'll be happy to find I'm wrong, because working in the way I do certainly takes a lot of time.

I was making a point,How you interpret vdw And how i interpret it may be entirely different,Therefore the exercise would be pointless,You would find fault,And spend the rest of the time arguing,Having said that,There's a good little duel going on in the 1.35 at navan Can Bannow bay give this weight to the bunny boiler,Iv'e got B.B on top but guest pointed something out to me the other day,It's not proven in handicap company with the weight,Conflict,But nevertheless a good one to watch.

THats what I meant.

I dont see where he states little nugget a bet but he points out that it still won even though outside the first five in the forcast.

little nugget does bring all the right credentials although lyric dancer does not and he states why TGY pg 20.

If g. hall had not spotted the key he was incredibly fortuante to fid three on the same card especially baronet (12-1) that were exactly right from VDW's point of view. I think vdw thought he had found it as well, as he tells him there are many more to come from the same source.

investor, how do know it may even help?

vdw states that if a horses does not "show" in the first five the winner must be looked for outside these.

If a horse outside the first 5 or 6 has consistent form,Then obviously it must be checked as was evident earlier in the week with Ei Ei Quoted at 20/1 in r/p s.p 10/1 having been backed in from 12s on course way overpriced,And somebody obviously knew something,This was also evident in it's form.

Conspicuous by its absence is your analysis of the 110c on friday, is there good reason for this?

Iv'e come to the conclusion that the time has come for me to unravel things for myself,And not be swayed by somebody else's interpretation,The last fortnight has highlighted something,which i have come to regard as the second numerical picture,Iv'e been told by a good source,That it's not vdw i'm inclined to disagree,Time will tell,If i find out for myself it isn't vdw it's one hell of a crosscheck.