Is it the same reason why only stray shot and Zamandra were the ones to back out of the 6
And if it is do you think that it makes it a system rather than a method

[This message was edited by boozer on November 19, 2002 at 06:54 PM.]

no its not

today they were

looking down
spoof
joley bay
rugged river



when everything is right these are "stonewall certainties"

Barney

You sure youre right?
I can see 7 winners off the cards today with what I am on about
And they didnt include the ones you mentioned

they are likely winners.


not bets as per stray shot/zamandra/rifle brigade and almost all the others.

only then can you have the same horses as himself, whether he would bet them or not is another thing.

I may be wrong, I have been wrong before, but its clear as a bell.

non of the ones listed have been right so far.

but tommorrow two of the best i have seen are

alimac and dorans gold

here is one that I have just seen that I backed earlier this year.

Game Guru 5th feb 2002

it is absolutely perfect VDW example.

all factors are present and correct including stray shot/Zamandra/prominent king type scenarios.

I remember I got 7/2 as well

are you statajack trying to brainwash everybody.LOL.

why was cool gin the only bet?

same as stray shot/Zamandra?

I must admit to a small interest today, that just proves that I have not yet mastered temperament.

Boozer
I am unable to answer your query (Re Stray Shot/Zamandra) accurately without going back through their previous form, though all the selections I recall did have certain attributes. I have always thought that systems are based on science, whereas methods are more of an art, though, as the man said, you still need to use intelligent judgement.

Barney
One of us needs an interpretor, any chance of a translation into a common language?

on the 5th jan 1985

VDW illustrated the kempton card similarly as he had done with the "boxing day" examples.

With your mention of lean ar ahghaidgh I thought you may recall them.

Of the winners that VDW points out on that card VDW tells mr spiers that "cool gin should have been his lastest bet". all this even though wing and a prayer was ability/ class and ratings, but still no bet.

again this is for the same reasons as stray shot/Zamandra.

I also thought JOLY BEY was a certainty, which, of course, it was.

Barney,
Here's a surprise for you.
I quite like Allimac and Doran's Girl as well.
However both ISIO and CELIBATE are live dangers respectively,
Swish

Johnd

Either you've discovered VDW's approach and people like me are barking up the wrong tree, or you haven't.

If the former, you can look forward to an endless stream of winners, and if you wait a couple of months before starting to back them, that will be of no significance.

If the latter, if you wait a couple of months just watching the selections, the true situation will become apparent to you, and you won't have lost any money.

In other words, given that you've obviously had problems recently (otherwise you wouldn't have suspended betting), there is nothing significant to be gained, and much to be lost, by prematurely backing horses that time MAY show have marked less chance of winning than you currently believe.

Take care. VDW regularly alluded to the downside of the belief that it was easy to make money backing horses. Judging by the number of, frankly, bizarre, selections put up by posters to this thread as VDW-type bets, you are not the only one at risk.

from the four yesterday spoof should not have been backed as he was a "bonny gold".

sorry!

VDW would say that they dont have the ability to trouble the selections.

But I must stress they are not little owl and sunset cristo.

They were on saturday and sunday.

is "bonny gold" cockney rhyming slang?

sorry about that.

Bonny gold is vdw selection from three cards that vdw went through on the 26/12/1984.

he was the class form/horse and a likely winner but not given as a horse to wager on.

at downpatrick the selection is one knight out

at southwell greenwood

I am now with you re Cool Gin, and it does seem to be the case, although it is not explicitly clear that Wing and a Prayer would not have been a bet for Mr Spiers.
At last I have figured out why you have so many posts; you keep having to explain your previous posts. Luck for today.

Fulham
Thanks for that, I will take your comments on board, and will keep you posted. The method, as I see it, does not give a clear selection today, although it does indicate that Iris Bleu is not one to oppose lightly, but many others will come to the same conclusion via a different route.

Regards

John D,

I take it you mean Iris Royal in the 3.00 Kempton?

Barney,

I’m surprised at your selections recently on the AW. Extreme caution should be taken as the AW gets underway at this time of year. Seemingly out of form horses on turf can be transformed by the switch in surface and it would be my advise not to back anything that hasn’t proved itself as such.

I can’t understand the confusion with regards to Wing And A Prayer. This horse was most definitely a good thing and a bet on the day.

Doran’s Gold for me today.

Thanks,

VDW didnt have that problem did he?

Barney,

It is unlikely I think that VDW would have made many, if any, selections on the all weather, in his time. We know he was around when it came on to the scene in the late 80’s but at the time it was perceived by many as a side-show lacking in quality races. Although many still feel this way it has become more and more popular, particularly with the professionals where it is/was easy to gain an edge. Had VDW been around a while longer then I’m positive that he would have devised an almighty successful method for the AW. I’m also positive that it would have been based around pace, speed, and obviously class.

Come January/February when the form has settled and most runners have had a few runs there will be many excellent opportunities, but at the moment we are faced with horses that have never run on the surface. Some love it, whilst some hate it. And looking back at form on the turf will give you NO indication whether a horses will go or not.