Without wanting to piss on anyones bonfire, Swish has pointed out that Byron was an aftertimed VDW bet.

As we all know, the reasons found after the race seldom have any effect when in the future they are applied before the race.

I picked Byron hours before the off from my Donkey Register list which has little (I hope!) to do with VDW.

Swish,

I noted your post regarding Byron, however, given that you claimed not to be bothered looking through the thread, I decided to ignore it. It says a lot, to me anyway, that your comments during your ‘guest’ appearance were aimed at myself, particularly having had nothing to contribute here yourself for some time now. Having said that, I doubt very much that you’ve been far away, and so hopefully if you put in some effort then my recent posts may shed some light on where you are going wrong; I doubt it though.

JIB,

After timed bet, it was not, as unfortunately my bookmaker doesn’t do them. However I’m guilty as charged in that I posted my thoughts on Byron after the race, and claimed to have backed him. Those thoughts though were exactly the same before the race as they were after; just as they were yesterday on the first loser I’ve had for a few weeks.

Obviously any unsubstantiated claims are worthless, of course, but what is there to be gained from making false ones? Ego? I don’t think so? I have a family and find a small amount of time to post to this message board, in-between everything else that I fit in to my day, and living with Alice in Wonderland isn’t on the daily schedule.

Why didn’t I post before the race? Why should I? Fact or fiction, there are many people who are desperate to get to the bottom of VDW but are so unprepared to make an effort. I will help ANYONE who is willing to help themselves, racing or otherwise.

It has been said in a few places that the VDW thread has taken a step forward and some good contributions have been made? No there haven’t – can someone show me where these good contributions are?

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Top 3 Massey Max from first 6 in betting (handicaps only)


2:05
Free Trip
Peeress
Peter Paul Rubens

3:50 - this is tricky cos no one , ie Dmail Rpost or Live seem as to agree on the first 6 in betting !!

Royal Warrent
Lucayan Legend

are the only 2 to appear in all 3 lists !

Gatwick
Dancing Lycra

are the remaing "Top" Max's which appear somewhere in those lists.

I think we need to call on the services of "tunkie" with her Crystal Ball" for this one

No Bet !

5:35
Lochbuie
Yoshka
Anousa

Lee: Isn't there a contradiction in saying A) "hopefully if you put in some effort then my recent posts may shed some light on where you are going wrong" and B) "some good contributions have been made? No there haven’t"?

NO - I’m not modest.

What benefit is there in posting as I was doing? It can get lonely out there!

Lee,

I was not questioning your honour, having never had occasion to even suspect it.

But as other members were starting to look for your reasons after the event, inevitably a portion of them, influenced by the result, will latch on to a variety serendipitous irrelevances, with dire results both for themselves and for the thread as a whole.

I know how you feel about it being lonely out there though. I suffered that misfortune for many months on this thread! My only advice is to stick it out, in my case at least, it has been worthwhile.

I wish Tuppenycat!!

3.50 ROYAL WARRENT
5.35 YOSHKA

Any + or - most welcome before time

Tunkie,

My idea of the winner in the 5.35 is Lochbuie. In the 3.50 nothing stands out, perhaps Lucayan Ledgend, but there are plenty of negatives, of which the draw is just one.

I have backed Darasim for the Goodwood Cup.

I can see a case for paralleling Darasim with Byron over their respective previous three runs although strictly speaking Darasim has the same pattern as the Dettori horse in Tuesday's race and accordingly I dont see how one could be confident that Byron would beat Kheylef or whatever it was called. In the two races concerned these seem to be the only horses that hadn't lost a weaker race in terms of Group 1, 2, 3, etc, though Byron had won a similar level whereas the other two had only won at, what one might call, one level below.

2:05

3:50 no bet

5:35


NB - Like the Handicapper, Massey doesn' know what to do with unexposed horses - see result of 3:50.
NBB - Similarly, - those with overseas form !

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Lee,
Spot on

Apologies for not putting up 'the 3 most consistent. Computer has been down since midday yesterday. Should get them up tomorrow.
Johnd

Lee,

V Impressive. Well done!

Lee, If you think it is bad being accused of posting after the race, then think how I feel, I am an expert in reading what you have tipped after the race, If I dident have bad luck I dont think I would have any luck at all

Lee - well done !

On this forum we welcome pre race postings - and we acknowledge them !

Even better when they include a few "reasons" !!

TC,

Why would you need reasons from me? They were all given by VDW - to re-cap:

"To confirm what the figures say it is necessary to study the form of all concerned, taking particular note of class in which they ran, the course they ran on, the pace and going of the respective races, distances won or beaten by and most important, how they performed in the later stages of each race."

And from winning ways to bet ... "you should not need to be reminded that the class against which a horse runs is not the same as the class of race in which they compete."

Lee -

Yeah !!

Good post - But - We know all that !!!

If when you posted your selection, - you had isolated and identified "ALL" these factors, - THEN ! - we might be getting somewhere !!

I hope you have rejoined this forum in the spirit in which it is now progressing - ie mutual benefit !!

tc

Walter P

I realise that last night's comment re improving figures was slightly misleading. As well as looking on the RP website I was also looking at my printout of the raw top speed figures for the race which Byron won.

Taking the three runs prior to Tuesday, Byron has raw speed figures of 111, 112, and 118 and placings of 1, 3, 8 respectively. And, given my fledgeling understanding of these matters, I thought that this showed a Roushayd-type sign although the class of races don't quite stack up to what I remember of the Roushayd example. I must read that example again!

BTW, Roushayd kinda lost his magical status for me when I discovered what appear to be his bare form figures - from 4yro on - in the Racing Post's online DB. Somehow I thought this horse was a legend. Turns out (if those are his figures) that he won nothing else. Very disappointing. Merely a legend in his own lunchtime!

Regards

C

johnd -

in the interests of "continuety" - please break the "new rules" and put up the "3 most consistent" selections for today. -

These are "Mechanical" selections - so - as are mine - they are for interest and future reference purposes only !!

I thought that this morning cos you didn't post - you had been hit by Gummys "Bug"

TC,

If you know all that, and you’ve done your homework, then you will need no further help from me.

Mutual = shared, communal, reciprocated.

Which way is the traffic going?

I’d love to hear someone else’s INFORMED opinions on the subject; perhaps yours?