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Jolly Swagman
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Jock Bingham -

had a lot to say on the subject -

but

he degenerated into a sort of "Colin Davey" -

or was it the other way round ???

TC

cool
 
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Every tree bears its fruit; we reap only that which we have sown.

Great ambition is the passion of a great character. He who is endowed with it, may perform either very great actions, or very bad ones; all depends upon the principles which direct him.

Some men have sufficient strength of mind to change their disposition, or at least to yield to imperative circumstances

We must take things as we find them, and not as we would wish them to be.

Maxims of Napoleon
 
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Vanman
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Frustration with the VDW method, has, for many, been the lack of positive attitude and progress has been retarded because they are inept at allowing the mind to do the work.

Obstacles are only put there to be overcome, just like the hurdles and fences for the horses.

If they are to win, then they must negotiate them, which is what we must do with our problems.

VDW
 
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Ubique
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Hello all.

What's the VDW view on e/w betting?.

Cheers.
 
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Jolly Swagman
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quote:
Many punters insist upon pushing the odds more and more against themselves and it is ironic that some believe they are doing the opposite. The numbers who indulge in doubles is amazing and very often you will find those who are looking to bet something each-way , a procedure which these days is completely negative.


Suggesting that they back two horses to win in one race brings a look of horror to their faces, but they would be reducing the odds against them by doing so.

------ then-----

Every day there are races where only two or at the most three horses have any chance and the rest are just making up the numbers.

------ then-----

When you know the winner must ( or should) come from one of two or three horses and you can back all of them them and make a profit, it must rate as a punters dream come true.

The good news is that it is not just a dream, but a fact and there to be taken most days. You have to be prepared to work at it because like anything worth having it does not come free gratis.



1987

TC

[This message was edited by Tuppenycat on December 18, 2002 at 11:01 PM.]
 
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MoM

I'm not sure it is wise quoting Napoleon on this thread - he was, in the end, one of the greatest losers of all time!
 
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I don`t think VDW ever mentioned E/W betting.



maggsy
 
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This will hopefully be a short post, as the long one I did 4 hours ago was eaten by my computer.
Things went pear shaped today with Old Feathers, but I am certain that today was nothing like his true form, at least I have the consolation that he is the first horse I have supported for 6 weeks that ran way below expectations, something that used to happen far too often to be healthy. Of the 3 other losers I supported during that period. 2 were down to me applying the method incorectly, and the other, (Kepler, actually), was beaten by a rejuvenated Brilliant Red, who went on to frank the form in his next race.
I remain convinced that an 80%+ strike rate is eminently attainable, despite all the recent posts to the contrary.

Epiglotis

Re Leitrim Lakes, in 2 recent postings I have given insights into my thinking on this horse from 2 different angles, and it is not really on for you to expect more. Perhaps you should look again at those posts.

Walter P.

Likewise, I think I made it clear in a recent posting, exactly what I meant by 'When everything lines up', perhaps you didn't relate the two postings, but they are there for you to find if you so wish.

Luck to all
 
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VDW did mention e/w betting, in systematic betting I think, but, wherever, he implied it was a waste of a stake.
 
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Jolly Swagman
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Grumbled.

"Able was I ere I saw Elba"

if you can`t read that backward -

then what are you doing - Backing the Nags !!
 
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JIB,

It's all very well thinking like the trainer, which one? Four trainers all think their horse can win, all 4 have been trained with THIS race in mind. Surely the trick is to find out who is firing blanks, and who has the real ammunition. roll eyes

No matter how good you are at martial arts, it isn't much good against a bullet. Unless your name is Q of course. eek

Or you are very lucky
 
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Jolly Swagman
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JFC !

Have you never read his letters!

There arn`t many of them !

Try - "From Start to Finish" - The Half Way Mark.

published 1987

also - Multiple Betting Dec 26 1981 !

Comic Kuts sounds more your Mark!

TC
 
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The Vital Spark
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    Mtoto,
    The trainers strategy has always started in the past, most of the time it is reasonably straightforward to "see", in that the horses form makes "sense".
    However the horses performance and the conditions that were chosen for it have to be understood from the trainers point of view, not the form students.
    If the form student finds something "out of place" amongst this form he ignores it at his peril. Only vanity can explain and true stupidity maintain that the form student thinks he is wiser than the trainer.
    The "out of place" will have a v good reason for its existance, and if understood in the manner the trainer designed it, will frank or give lie to the form being analysed.
    Above all it is important to remember that the trainers objective in this contest is subtly different to the form student who is looking for the best horse in the race so as to make money, whilst the trainer wants to make money even if his horse isnt good enough to do it conventionally.
    When the form student looks at the horse he should imagine he is its owner and he can hear clearly the trainer explaining every step that has been taken with its developement. If he cant, Sun Tsu has explained what will happen.
 
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Jolly Swagman
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Lets look at it also from the Horses point of view.

Has he been given a task today - for which he has been prepared, and which is now easier than he expected.

eg.

He has previously been asked to run over 7f and now only needs to run over 6f.

He now has the Stamina !

Think how the horse views the task !!

TC
 
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The Vital Spark
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    TC,
    I have only managed to get so far as Sun Tsu. Dr Doolittle awaits me in the future.
 
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Of the two that i picked yesterday,Lord moose was a complete balls up on my part,remember what the man said about weight,Joly bey looked a far better proposition than iris royal,In my opinion of course,You have to make mistakes to learn,And i'm sure i'll make a good few more along the way,With these methods.
 
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Old feathers was up against it yesterday,Especially with paco venture in the race,This is were interpretations differ,Paco venture had good consistent form in every sense of the word,Like i said in another post,The only thing that put the brakes on this one was the ground,Otherwise it was a cert as i see it,You surprise me because this had the same characteristics as devon view,So it was a bit of a shock when you plumped for Old feathers,Constructive i hope.
 
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John In Brazil

Two great posts beautifully illustrated which once digested directed me towards VDW THE MYTH OF THE MISSING LINk.

John D

I have done as you suggested & found something relative in most of your recent posts, you place importance in the style that a horse is ridden, the ground & distance, course, the official rating of the horse they beat or were beaten by.
Am i getting warm?. smile
 
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Jolly Swagman
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Don`t let Doolitle get in the way of Machiaveli !

quote:
But to exercise the intellect the prince should read histories, and study there the actions of illustrious men, to see how they have borne themselves in war, to examine the causes of their victories and defeat, so as to avoid the latter and imitate the former; and above all do as an illustrious man did, who took as an exemplar (example) one who had been praised and famous before him, and whose achievements and deeds he always kept in his mind, as it is said Alexander the Great imitated Achilles, Caesar Alexander


smile

TC
 
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The Vital Spark
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    Heir to the throne
    TC,
    You have got your hands on a terrific racing book.
 
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