You may be right.

Johnd
Hopefully you will continue to post on other threads.

Grundy

I'm sorry but I have accidentally deleted your email. If you will send it again I'll be more careful.


Johnd

I'd like to echo Epiglotis's sentiment. Especially on the tipping thread, where your selections have been a revelation.

unlucky determined

Barney,

Thanks but there was no luck involved just a bad decision on my part.

Determined
I don't realy know what G Butler is doing with Elusive city,I think it's safe to say the horse is a sprinter,it may also be worth noting at what distance the better horses come from.

Johnd,

I`m sorry you`re withdrawing from the big dick competition, it`s been fun reading and I`ve enjoyed your style. I haven`t a clue what you`ve been on about but it sounded good.

Several before you on this thread have taken their ball in, each time accompanied by an eloquent terminal speech (Guest, Mtoto at least twice, Investor) only to bring it out again after a respectable period of reflection, so I won`t say goodbye, just "so long"

Enjoy your break

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Investor,

Elusive City was never anywhere near a bet for me today for many reasons. Connections were doing like many have tried previously, ie - try making a miler out of a sprinter.

Remember Ajdal to name just one.

Your point on knowing where the better horses come from. I take it you are referring to the late running 2yo`s who run over 7 fur`s plus in there juvenile year. So yes my friend I am fully aware.

Back to Elusive City. Sprinting will be his game but he`s chosen one difficult year as I expect several other potentially top class 3yo`s this year will fall into the same category, ie - Airwave, Oasis Dream and possibly Trade Fair.

Time will tell.

*** the Spring Cup winner well and truely marked his card today. His future placing will be of interest.

Cheers,

JohnD - Sorry, but if you had at least made some attempt to outline your thinking on the method then perhaps you wouldn't get the response you do. I have clearly shown my hand, in my opinion, and whilst I haven't specifically set it all out I have made very strong hints as to what I am looking for. You have neglected to do this, though I'm sure you think you have given away many clues. This does make me laugh really, because you are always accusing me of stringing some web of confusion. The fact that a few on here have now actually read and understood my views on VDW and can now see the elements to look for seems to escape you. Are you implying they are fooling themselves or worse still lying?

Probably one of those or just plain ignorant.

JohnD - One further point. You accuse me and other of being blinkered in our views, yet anyone looking from an objective point of view at my findings and yours would have to say that I have left little stones unturned in my quest to solve VDWs puzzles. And what's more I have proved to myself that any comment he made and tried to draw attention to was for very good reasons.

Weight, distances won by or beaten, class of race, class of horse, the betting market,etc all had our attention drawn to them at some stage by VDW so that we may come to understand his balancing act. And let's be quite clear that he said it was very much a balancing act between class and form. Do you agree with this or not?

On many ocassions he subtly pointed something out for us to digest and "let the mind do the work". For example, after VDW had his SIAO article published WIN of Brighton made a response pointing out that in his opinion Little Owl had only beaten second raters and as Wayward Lad was the most exciting horse in the stable how could LO have been a certainty. One should ask on what basis he made these assertions. Surely only his opinion.

VDW replied in his usual reserved way and in passing pointed out that "Lesley Ann, another Win implied was rubbish, has again given Wayward Lad a thrashing at Cheltenham just as she did last year."

Now why on earth do you think VDW mentioned this? Can you not see the huge significance?

In relation try re reading VDWs individual summaries of the horses in Pegwell Bays race. What he says about one particular horse gives it all away and if you note his description of the horse you should be asking why he left the figures out in his race analysis above it.

It is all there in SIAO, but it is even clearer in subsequent articles.

Guest,
well done with In Contrast,now I'm scratching my head,a Roushayd type!I have to explore that one.
By the way,in reference to Smart Tar,did vdw give enough information in the example or is the form book needed.

I had Kadarann as a good thing yesterday,but not today.

Sorry Guest I didn't read your posts closely enough to realise that you were leaving the little stones unturned, I'm not quite sure why you think Johnd would be impressed by your readers noticing this remission or is this more of your peculiar humour?

Pipedreamer - It was the way the info was presented. He neglected to list all the ratings for the field as he had usually done, yet pointed out a factor of huge significance to Pegwell Bays. Anyone who doesn't see it now, is really struggling I think.

Epiglotis - I'm interested as to just how you weigh up people and subject matters.

You stand on the sidelines cheerleading anyone who disagrees with my views on VDW, yet you haven't a clue how I or they operate the method. You clearly have spent very little time looking at VDWs articles and examples, certainly in any great depth, yet you constantly shout the odds on a subject you must know little about namely VDWs methods.

Tell us all how you think John Ds approach works and justify your agreement with virtually everything he says. At least those who agree with me have taken the trouble to prove it for themselves and not just taken my word for it.

Investor, by his own admission, has taken me to task a few times in the past. No harm done, but he now says he has spotted that which I have been saying is there to see in VDws examples. Does that not mean anything in your view?

I pointed John to several examples today that throw his class of courses theory out of the window, but he didn't acknowledge any of them. Just as he never acknowledges passages VDW wrote that I point out that pour cold water on his other theories.

I have no doubt that John can pick winners far better than the average punter, but does he pick them in a way closer to VDWs than mine?

That is the burning question.

As you have pointed out Johnd hasn't explained his understanding of VDW's method so necessarily I have not agreed with him on his approach. I'm not clear on what you mean by today's examples, as I recall you mentioned three horses stating that one would not be a bet, of the other two one lost and one won at 2-1. What I find tiresome about you is that dispite these poor results you insist on presenting yourself as being in possession of some particularly valuable and esoteric knowledge. This is clearly not the case, I am willing to believe that you have considered matters deeply and found relevence for factors that are generally ignored, however your results demonstrate that you are not able to take any advantage that may be available from these factors. The point of coming on a forum is to share, you have as much to learn as you have to teach.

guest,

will you answer some questions on pegwell bay?

determined.

just an afterthought whilst re-evaluating todays race.

when vdw did the first race in roushayd, have you seen the first paragraph?

"..........first let us check the three with a run"

johnd,

I will miss your input... we had some cracking days last year.

I can still remember your evaluation of johnstone's training of scotts view.

That was beautiful work.

Epiglotis - Quite how a profit is poor I don't know, but I did describe only one horse as an outstanding bet. I only posted it because in my opinion it clearly demonstrated a classic example of the Roushayd approach. All in spite of In Contrast finishing behind westender in the Champion hurdle.

Barney - I will if possible.

Epiglotis - Are you disputing the fact that all of my selections posted as definite bets on this thread have made a good profit?