Boozer

82-83 averaging 2 a weekbut even he wasn't adverse to skiming (1 or 2 m's?)a % and lets just say a degree of artistic licence does no harm to book sales.

Hi All,
I've been looking at Ayr 3.45

"Nights Cross" looks good - but can we forgive the placing of 11th when in 6f £200,000 race, when looking at consistency?

"If Paradise" clearily has shown most Ability, winning a £78,300 race. But some negatives:
15th lto - one length behind "Nights Cross" ( 2lb better off today) Jockey Richard Hughes seems to have chosen stable-mate "Boogie Street"

Looks like a "no bet" "Nights Cross" may well win, but not a "stand-out"

My best rated for the day. % are high and VDW ratings are ok. Dutched.

 PONTEFRACT 18 Sep 2003 3:35 Renault Van Range Fillies' Stakes Showcase Handicap (Class D) (3yo+ 0-85) Winner £7 150.00 6f GD-FM , 11 Runners Handicap

 Baralinka,,..................................Form 5*¬11*¬12*  (25)  sp lto 14/1, wgt 9-4, ln 19 Av = 18.7k** , Ab = 10k**   Score=4+3
 90%  79C 6f 12*/5 17rs  Gd Kem  9K    (12 days)   (** DIST  Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 9K to 7.2K,  No improv (9-4, )
 149%  65C 6f 11*/11 14rs  Gd Goo  18K    (26 days)   (** DIST  Unpl)
 332%  90C 6f 5*/3 17rs  Gd Eps  29K    (103 days)   (** DIST  Unpl)
   .................................. (100%)
 Tychy,,..................................Form 5*¬2*¬1   (8*)  sp lto 8/13F, wgt 9-0, ln 2* Av = 14.3k** , Ab = 5k  Score=4+4
 63%  83D 7f 1 /¾L 4rs  Gd Eps  6K    (63 days)     (Chk Dist  + WIN **)    UP in class from 6K to 7.2K,  No improv (9-0, )
 92%  91C 6f 2*/½L 12rs**  GF Asc  8K    (69 days)(g)   (** DIST  PLACED **)
 336%  91B 7f 5*/2 27rs  Fm Asc  29K    (90 days)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
   .................................. (85%)
PONTEFRACT 18 Sep 2003 4:05 Phil Bull Trophy Conditions Stakes (Class C) (3yo+) Winner £5 988.49 (2m1f216y)2m2f GD-FM , 7 Runners 

 Random Quest,,..................................Form 3h*¬2h*¬5h*  (10)  sp lto 9/1, wgt 10-0, ln 13* Av = 25k**  Ab = 0k  Score=5+0
 100%  98C 14f 5h*/2 19rs  GF Hay  32K    (12 days)(g)   (UP in dist, Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 32K to 6K,  CHK for improv (10-0,)
 62%  98B 16f 2h*/5 10rs  GF Asc  20K    (40 days)(g)   (UP in dist, placed ?)
 70%  96C 21f 3h*/6 15rs  GS Goo  23K    (50 days)  (Down in dist placed ?)
   .................................. (100%)
 Numitas,,..................................Form 11h*¬3h*¬8h*  (21)  sp lto 16/1, wgt 9-0, ln 28 Av = 15.3k** , Ab = 3k  Score=4+0
 61%  88B 13f 8h*/13 11rs  GF Yor  22K    (28 days)(g)   (UP in dist, Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 22K to 6K,  CHK for improv (9-0, )
 27%  95C 14f 3h*/2 16rs  Gd Goo  9K    (49 days)   (UP in dist, placed ?)
 36%  77C 12f 11h*/13 13rs  GF Sal  15K    (85 days)(g)   (UP in dist, Unpl)
   .................................. (53%)
 
YARMOUTH 18 Sep 2003 3:55 Pertwee & Back Ford Ranger Thunder Handicap (Class C) (3yo+ 0-95) Winner £10 855.00 2m GD-FM , 5 Runners Handicap

 Taffrail,,..................................Form 10 ¬5 ¬9*  (24)  sp lto 33/1, wgt 9-6, ln 105 Av = 20.7k** , Ab = 7k  Score=4+2
 63%  87B 16f 9*/19 10rs  GF Asc  20K    (40 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 20K to 10.9K, BUT chk figures (9-6, )
 64%  93A 16f 5 /12 5rs**  GF San  19K    (75 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
 30%  37B 22f 10 /74 13rs  Fm Asc  23K    (89 days)  (Down in dist Unpl)
   .................................. (100%)
 Ravenglass,,..................................Form 3 ¬2 HcpAm ¬6*  (11)  sp lto 33/1, wgt 9-8, ln 14 Av = 16.3k** , Ab = 3k  Score=7+1
 100%  86C 14f 6*/7 19rs  GF Hay  32K    (12 days)(g)   (UP in dist, Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 32K to 10.9K  IMPROVING *** (9-8, )
 38%  88C 12f 2 HcpAm /¼L 12rs  Gd Eps  12K    (24 days)   (UP in dist, PLACED **)
 14%  81D 13f 3 /7 5rs**  GF Ham  5K    (36 days)(g)   (UP in dist, placed ?)
   .................................. (96%) 

3/3 not bad and Ravenglass at 14/1 was a shock!

I am working on making the tables a little clearer for those that are interested. Shall I keep posting?

Max - Personally, If I put in that much time day in day out and only grabbed 250 quid I'd have given up ages ago. Can I ask on what evidence your view is based?

Also, do you actually know Mr Nevison?

Nessie
yes please keep posting i enjoy your posts
i backed the wrong one today never mind theres always another day keep up the good work.
have fun

Guest
You have read many of my posts and I dare say you know I work to 750 a week,I base my views on seven years of doing this day in day out and actually socializing with real time pro's not keyboard dreamers.I have met Nevison on a number of occasions and despite his tendancy to lay himself open to ridicule after talking up a runner pre race he is a very likeable chap.

I take it your a number 2?

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Originally posted by Nessie:
3/3 not bad and Ravenglass at 14/1 was a shock!

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But not to Mr Tibbs !

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Originally posted by Nessie:

I am working on making the tables a little clearer for those that are interested. Shall I keep posting?

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Please, please, please...

I thought I had a handle on it from your posts on page 533, but like the mists over the loch, nothing concrete that I could nail to the mast.

Max - I know Dave, and I agree he is a decent chap, but his style of betting doesn't appeal to me and I know from his reaction to certain results that he probably endures some fearsome losing runs. There are people making money from their betting at all levels and via many different selection routes and if you are clearing 750 a week, you will know that there are not many jobs that pay like that. Especially where you are your own boss and I'm sure you wouldn't swap it for anything else.

I do think though that your comment about VDW being arrogant in his declaration that basically most punters are mugs needs a retort. You may make your living at the game, but you are in a tiny minority and it is a fact that most punters lose their cash either steadily or heavily over time. VDW was referring to those when he made those comments, but he also knew that there are plenty of people in racing who claim to make money through their betting, but actually get it from elsewhere.

By the way, I am not having a dig at you on that score, only that I can't believe you seriously think that all these self proclaimed "pros" actually make good money year in year out.

As always, great stuff.

V.tough day. I scored the showcase as well on the other thread.

 AYR 19 Sep 2003 4:55 Ayr Advertiser Fillies' Handicap (Class C) (3yo+ 0-90) Winner £5 824.00 1m2f GOOD , 8 Runners Handicap

 Rani Two,,..................................Form 6*¬7*¬4*  (17*)  sp lto 16/1, wgt 9-5, ln 18* Av = 8.7k** , Ab = 3.7k  Score=7+2
 100%  74C 10f 4*/3 7rs**  GF Asc  9K    (23 days)   (** DIST  Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 9K to 5.8K,  CHK for improv (9-5, )
 85%  71D 10f 7*/6 9rs**  Gd Rip  8K    (34 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
 95%  71C 9f 6*/9 9rs**  GS Goo  9K    (51 days)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
   .................................. (100%)
 Grey Clouds,,..................................Form 1*¬1*¬4*  (6)  sp lto 7/4F, wgt 8-12, ln -2 Av = 4.7k, Ab = 3k  Score=5+5
 86%  72D 10f 4*/2 9rs**  Gd Rip  8K    (34 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 8K to 5.8K  IMPROVING *** (8-12,)
 31%  70E 9f 1*/3 10rs  GF Bev  3K    (37 days)      (Chk Dist  + WIN **)
 28%  64E 10f 1*/1 11rs  GS Ncs  3K    (50 days)    ** DIST + WIN **
   .................................. (51%)
 Desert Royalty,,..................................Form 1*¬3*¬1*  (5)  sp lto 8/1, wgt 9-5, ln 1* Av = 4k, Ab = 3.3k  Score=4+3
 37%  83D 12f 1*/2 8rs**  Gd Eps  3K    (9 days)(g)  (Down in dist  + WIN **)    UP in class from 3K to 5.8K, BUT chk figures (9-5, )
 55%  74D 9f 3*/3 5rs  GF Fol  5K    (29 days)      (Chk Dist placed ?)
 48%  81E 9f 1*/¾L 5rs  Fm Bri  4K    (44 days)      (Chk Dist  + WIN **)
   .................................. (49%)
NEWBURY 19 Sep 2003 5:05 Dubai Grand Prix Handicap (Class D) (3yo+ 0-85) Winner £5 402.80 (1m3f5y)1m3f GD-FM , 9 Runners Handicap

 Adjawar,,..................................Form 4*¬4*¬7 HcpAm   (15)  sp lto 13/2, wgt 11-8, ln 23 Av = 12.3k** , Ab = 5k  Score=6+2
 69%  62C 12f 7 HcpAm /21 12rs  Gd Eps  12K    (25 days)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 12K to 5.4K, BUT chk figures (11-8,)
 136%  91C 11f 4*/1 10rs**  Fm Bat  16K    (33 days)   (** DIST  Unpl)
 76%  91C 11f 4*/1 5rs  GF Lei  9K    (58 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
   .................................. (100%)
 Linning Wine,,..................................Form 2*¬15*¬14*  (22)  sp lto 33/1, wgt 9-9, ln 62 Av = 11.3k** , Ab = 5k  Score=4+1
 57%  51C 10f 14*/25 15rs  GS San  12K    (20 days)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 12K to 5.4K,  No improv (9-9, )
 47%  46C 11f 15*/36 15rs  GF Yor  11K    (129 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
 95%  93C 10f 2*/1 16rs  Gd Chs  11K    (136 days)      (Chk Dist placed ?)
   .................................. (70%)
 Not Amused,,..................................Form 7*¬2*¬2*  (11*)  sp lto 100/30, wgt 8-9, ln 14* Av = 7.7k** , Ab = 5k  Score=7+0
 100%  82C 10f 2*/2 6rs  Gd Chs  13K    (21 days)     (Chk Dist placed ?)    ***DOWN in class from 13K to 5.4K  IMPROVING *** (8-9, )
 39%  84D 10f 2*/5 7rs  GF Nby  5K    (34 days)(g)(c)      (Chk Dist placed ?)
 31%  68D 8f 7*/7 11rs  GF Bev  5K    (132 days)(g)   (UP in dist, Unpl)
   .................................. (60%)
NOTTINGHAM 19 Sep 2003 5:15 Madame Jones Classified Stakes (Class E) (3yo+ 0-65) Winner £2 457.00 (1m1f213y)1m2f GD-FM , 9 Runners 

 Apache Point,,..................................Form 3h*¬11h*¬13h*  (23)  sp lto 8/1, wgt 8-12, ln 20 Av = 7.3k** , Ab = 3.5k**   Score=6+0
 75%  44D 7f 13h*/13 18rs  GF Yor  6K    (12 days)(g)   (UP in dist, Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 6K to 2.5K, BUT chk figures (8-12,)
 188%  60C 9f 11h*/6 13rs  GF Ham  11K    (31 days)(g)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
 102%  72E 8f 3h*/1 11rs  GF Not  5K    (49 days)(g)(c)   (UP in dist, placed ?)
   .................................. (100%)
 Shasta,,..................................Form 2h*¬1 ¬5h*  (8)  sp lto 3/1F, wgt 9-6, ln 0.5 Av = 4k** , Ab = 3k**   Score=7+4
 100%  70D 9f 5h*/4 10rs**  GF Lei  5K    (18 days)(g)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 5K to 2.5K,  CHK for improv (9-6, )
 59%  69F 10f 1 /5 18rs  Gd Wdr  3K    (32 days)    ** DIST + WIN **
 78%  69E 10f 2h*/1 15rs  GF Nmk  4K    (41 days)(g)   (** DIST  placed ?)
   .................................. (65%)
 Castaway Queen,,..................................Form 15h*¬5h*¬6h*  (21)  sp lto 8/1, wgt 9-7, ln 27 Av = 5.3k**  Ab = 0k  Score=4+1
 36%  64E 9f 6h*/7 10rs**  Fm Bri  2K    (17 days)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    Same class 2K,  No improv (9-7, )
 59%  69F 10f 5h*/5 14rs  GF Lin  3K    (30 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
 125%  40D 9f 15h*/15 17rs  Gd Goo  11K    (48 days)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
   .................................. (60%)
 

Nessie
Keep them coming,youre ticking over nicely.I wold be interested in the gold cup table to see how we compare.

Max. V. hard day so I wont be doing anymyself. Dutch/hedge the following.

AYR 20 Sep 2003 3:35 Tote Ayr Gold Cup Showcase Handicap (Class B) (3yo+) Winner £65 000.00 6f GOOD , 28 Runners Handicap

 Orientor,,..................................Form 7 ¬5 ¬8   (20)  sp lto 25/1, wgt 9-0, ln 16 Av = 91.7k** , Ab = 29k  Score=5+2
 100%  98A 6f 8 /8 10rs  GS Hay  130K    (14 days)   (** DIST  Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 130K to 65K  IMPROVING *** (9-0, )
 96%  106A 5f 5 /5 8rs  GF Yor  116K    (30 days)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
 23%  104x 6f 7 /3 10rs  Gd Cur  29K    (41 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
   .................................. (100%)
 Royal Millennium,,..................................Form 16*¬22*¬8   (28*)  sp lto 16/1, wgt 9-0, ln 35* Av = 50.3k Ab = 0k  Score=3+1
 19%  103A 7f 8 /5 9rs  Gd Don  24K    (9 days)(g)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    UP in class from 24K to 65K, BUT chk figures (9-0, )
 43%  63B 7f 22*/21 22rs  Gd Asc  87K    (56 days)(g)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
 29%  93B 6f 16*/9 29rs**  Fm Asc  40K    (91 days)   (** DIST  Unpl)
   .................................. (41%)
 Indian Spark,,..................................Form 10*¬4 ¬9*  (23)  sp lto 10/1, wgt 9-13, ln 14 Av = 38k, Ab = 14k  Score=2+1
 26%  96B 5f 9*/4 22rs  Gd Don  35K    (10 days)(g)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    UP in class from 35K to 65K, BUT chk figures (9-13,)
 39%  101x 5f 4 /3 7rs  GF Cur  50K    (20 days)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
 20%  92B 6f 10*/7 23rs  Gd Rip  29K    (35 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
   .................................. (38%)
 Fire Up The Band,,..................................Form 2*¬11*¬2   (14)  sp lto 3/1, wgt 9-9, ln 13* Av = 33.3k, Ab = 19k  Score=4+2
 10%  100A 5f 2 /2 9rs  Gd Don  13K    (9 days)(g)     (Chk Dist placed ?)    UP in class from 13K to 65K,  No improv (9-9, )
 20%  91B 6f 11*/8 23rs  Gd Rip  29K    (35 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
 50%  111B 6f 2*/3 29rs**  Gd Goo  58K    (49 days)(g)   (** DIST  placed ?)
   .................................. (35%)end
AYR 20 Sep 2003 2:25 Weatherbys stallionbook.co.uk Stakes (Class A) (Listed Race) (Registered As The Doonside Cup) (3yo+) Winner £11 600.00 (1m2f192y)1m3f GOOD , 7 Runners 

 Bustan,,..................................Form 4 ¬3 ¬4   (11)  sp lto 7/1, wgt 8-12, ln 3 Av = 43.3k** , Ab = 9k  Score=7+3
 48%  110A 10f 4 /2 6rs**  Gd Chs  20K    (137 days)(g)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 20K to 11.6K,  No improv (8-12,)
 50%  100A 11f 3 /¾L 6rs**  GF Nby  23K    (364 days)   (** DIST  PLACED **)
 223%  116A 11f 4 /1 6rs**  Gd Yor  87K    (396 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
   .................................. (100%)
 Imperial Dancer,,..................................Form 1h*¬2 ¬3   (6)  sp lto 10/1, wgt 9-2, ln 4 Av = 39.7k** , Ab = 29k**   Score=7+3
 100%  113x 12f 3 /4 4rs  GS Lon  40K    (6 days)     (Chk Dist placed ?)    ***DOWN in class from 40K to 11.6K, BUT chk figures (9-2, )
 125%  113x 10f 2 /¾L 6rs**  GF Cur  50K    (41 days)      (Chk Dist PLACED **)
 76%  119B 9f 1h*/hd 15rs  Gd Goo  29K    (53 days)(g)   (UP in dist,  + WIN **)
   .................................. (93%)
NEWBURY 20 Sep 2003 2:10 Dubai International Airport World Trophy (Class A) (Group 3) (3yo+) Winner £23 200.00 (5f34y)5f GD-FM , 10 Runners 

 The Tatling,,..................................Form 1 ¬2 ¬6   (9)  sp lto 16/1, wgt 9-0, ln 7 Av = 91.7k** , Ab = 23.5k**   Score=8+5
 100%  106A 6f 6 /5 10rs**  GS Hay  130K    (14 days)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 130K to 23.2K, BUT chk figures (9-0, )
 100%  119A 5f 2 /2 8rs  GF Yor  116K    (30 days)(g)   (** DIST  placed ?)
 24%  116A 5f 1 /nk 9rs**  Gd Goo  29K    (51 days)    ** DIST + WIN **
   .................................. (100%)
 The Trader,,..................................Form 6 ¬6 ¬1   (13*)  sp lto 4/6F, wgt 9-4 b, ln 9* Av = 43.3k** , Ab = 7k  Score=4+5
 4%  113C 5f 1 /½L 6rs  Fm Lei  6K    (11 days)    ** DIST + WIN **    UP in class from 6K to 23.2K, BUT chk figures (9-4 b)
 86%  103A 5f 6 /6 8rs  GF Yor  116K    (30 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)
 4%  72C 6f 6 /3 7rs  GF Yar  8K    (45 days)(g)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
   .................................. (41%)
 Ratio,,..................................Form 1 ¬1h*¬15h*  (12)  sp lto 5/1F, wgt 9-1 tb, ln 13 Av = 45k** , Ab = 17.3k  Score=5+3
 53%  84B 7f 15h*/13 22rs  Gd Asc  87K    (56 days)  (Down in dist Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 87K to 23.2K  IMPROVING *** (9-1 t)
 33%  116B 6f 1h*/ 29rs  Fm Asc  40K    (91 days)      (Chk Dist  + WIN **)
 0%  01x 6f 1 /nk 9rs**  GS Cha  8K    (112 days)      (Chk Dist  + WIN **)
   .................................. (37%)
NEWBURY 20 Sep 2003 2:40 Dubai Duty Free Arc Trial (Class A) (Listed Race) (3yo+) Winner £16 820.00 (1m3f5y)1m3f GD-FM , 6 Runners 

 Systematic,,..................................Form 1 ¬2 ¬5   (8)  sp lto 42/10, wgt 9-6, ln 8 Av = 137.7k** , Ab = 18.3k**   Score=10+2
 100%  116x 12f 5 /5 8rs  Gd Bad  324K    (13 days)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 324K to 16.8K  IMPROVING *** (9-6, )
 18%  118A 13f 2 /3 5rs**  GF Nby  59K    (35 days)(g)(c)  (Down in dist placed ?)
 9%  116A 12f 1 /½L 5rs**  GF Asc  30K    (356 days)(g)      (Chk Dist  + WIN **)
   .................................. (100%)
 Researched,,..................................Form 13h*¬1h*¬8h*  (19)  sp lto 11/1, wgt 10-1, ln 22 Av = 79.7k** , Ab = 15k  Score=3+1
 37%  114B 13f 8h*/7 22rs  GF Yor  123K    (31 days)(g)  (Down in dist Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 123K to 16.8K,  CHK for improv (10-1,)
 9%  118A 12f 1h*/2 13rs  Gd Goo  29K    (50 days)      (Chk Dist  + WIN **)
 20%  89B 10f 13h*/17 20rs  GF Yor  87K    (70 days)(g)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
   .................................. (52%)
NEWBURY 20 Sep 2003 3:50 Dubai Duty Free Golf World Cup Maiden Stakes (Class D) (2yo) Winner £6 292.00 7f GD-FM , 15 Runners 

 Horner,,..................................Form 4 Mdn ¬4   (12)  sp lto 6/5, wgt 8-12, ln 11 Av = 11.5k**  Ab = 0k  Score=4+1
 51%  59D 7f 4 /9 5rs  GF Chs  6K    (23 days)(g)   (** DIST  Unpl)    Same class 6K, BUT chk figures (8-12,)
 203%  83D 6f 4 Mdn /2 11rs  GF Yor  17K    (31 days)(g)      (Chk Dist Unpl)
 0%  0 0f 0/0  
   .................................. (100%)
 Clog Dance,,..................................Form 9 Mdn   (27)  sp lto 20/1, wgt 8-11, ln 8 Av = 11k**  Ab = 0k  Score=4+0
 100%  63D 6f 9 Mdn /8 17rs  GF Sal  11K    (16 days)(g)     (Chk Dist Unpl)    ***DOWN in class from 11K to 6.3K,  CHK for improv (8-11,)
 0%  0 0f 0/0  
 0%  0 0f 0/0  
   .................................. (78%)
 State Dilemma,,..................................Form 3 Mdn ¬3 Mdn   (9)  sp lto 11/8F, wgt 9-0, ln 4* Av = 6.5k**  Ab = 0k  Score=5+2
 62%  72D 7f 3 Mdn /1 10rs  GF Chs  6K    (21 days)(g)   (** DIST  placed ?)    Same class 6K, BUT chk figures (9-0, )
 75%  75D 7f 3 Mdn /3 11rs  GF Nby  7K    (35 days)(g)(c)   (** DIST  placed ?)
 0%  0 0f 0/0  
   .................................. (53%)  

Fulham and Chaz,

Thankyou for your considerate replies.

What do you make of the 2.35 Ascot?

If you take White Rose's German form at face value it does look to have outstanding claims in this listed race,however I am always a little dubious of foreign form and I think todays ground could be a little to lively,it also as not proved itself over 1m 4f.Nevertheless it is the class horse in this race but I have overlooked it in favour of the only other two who have a realistic chance.I cannot split Floreeda and Flying Wanda in relation to class/form.Delving into the form of both Floreeda beat a 98 rated field from the front gradually grinding them down and a big plus is it wll have no going/distance worries.Flying Wanda on the other hand ran well in the Lancashire oaks finishing a five lengh second but beating a 105 rated field.The problem is the trip though for me coupled with J.Noseda's dismal s/r at Ascot and I have to ask why such a competant trainer with a pretty impressive s/r around the country lacks at this course.
So its a win on Floreeda for me but I may cover on Flying Wanda

Hello max,
I think everyone who posted on this VDW forum have jumped ship and gone to the RSUK forum including JIB.
That's what I admire loyalty to someone who starts a VDW forum and after 613 pages nearly everyone bugger's off.
Even Gary of Raceman ( who has vanished) infamy is posting on there and still having a swipe at me.
Thank goodness there are still many members who support this forum and at least with it being members only and with the troublemakers gone everyone can be assured of sensible discussion.

Gummy

ASCOT 2:35

Having looked at this race for a not inconsiderable period of time, I cannot find anything that I am confident to put my spondoolies on. However, the classform is FLOREEDA and the next best is ITNAB. Back on top of the ground I think FLOREEDA WINS.

Max

This is too difficult a race for me, but I agree with your views about the value of German and some other countries' form (I'd except France and Ireland).

Yesterday, in my view Stormont was the VDW class/form horse in the 2.40 Goodwood, but that was largely based on one valuable German win, and I would have been happy to have layed him had he run. With Michael Jarvis as her trainer, though, I don't feel nearly as keen to lay White Rose

GUMMY

I think that you are being unrealistic in expecting the VDW forum to return to normal overnight. I will do my bit though If I can but I am not very good.

Gummy
It does seem a shame that some of the long term members have defected but it can only be a matter of time before they return to the fold,assuming of course you have no objection.I on the other hand might not be so charitable in your shoes.
I posted a message to Gary on another forum yesterday as he is trying to get to grips with the vdw idea (not RSUK)an if he makes a serious effort to understand it then a trip back here to go through this thread has to be on the cards as this is surely the most comprehensive analysis on the net.The boards I have read that cover the topic come a poor second and most of the posters give the opinion they are treading water.
I have not seen any posts from JIB anywhere so he must be using a new name and I am more than a little surprised that he and 111 have gone.

Trojan
I can understand your being cautious over Floreeda and the r/h scenario but post race (and indeed visually pre race)reports seem to confirm she got upset before entering the stalls and became unruly so maybe that explains why she ran badly r/h that day afterall like you say she has only ran that way once before so I would suggest it is a little premature to speculate on her suitability to going right handed.Of course if she bombs today then questions will have to be asked and it may well turn out that the doubts you raise are justified.
Good luck anyway.