Epiglotis
Constructive what,You want to get yourself over to that apology thread and get busy with your fingers before you come back on here,If you stay on this board your one lucky B.....d you should be banned for life sicko.

And what should the penalty be for being as incredibly stupid as you ?

lll
Don,t be such a twat,Are you defending epiglotis i have never or never would type what he did last night,And you are having a pop at me you say i'm stupid,fair enough but would you point me to a post of mine that comes near to what his said

stupid is stupid is stupid

Investor
I never post anything that would upset me if it were posted 'at me' so to speak. I have enough experience of upsetting people to realise that my level of tolerance is broader than most but nevertheless I necessarily behave as I am.

Epiglotis
If that's the case,Your face must resemble Frankenstein after all the batterings it should have taken,Further to the point are you implying that you would say it again.

There is little, if anything, that upsets me on this board. Fulham is an irritation, but only because I can see through his snide little games, and some others cannot.
If you sat back and thought about it, you would realise that the only members who have a problem with anonymous insults are those who have a problem anyway.
How can anybody possibly be hurt in this way, except in their own mind?

Johnd
That is not the point,I wouldn't dream of saying what he said to another man's face,So why should it be allowed on here.

Gummy

I'm sorry not to have responded earlier, but I've been away working since 7.15 this morning. (Always a sadness when work interferes with some good quality racing!)

I'm grateful for your consideration, but while you were right to moderate the thread, Epiglotis's posts were of no concern to me. We have increasing numbers of "urban" foxes where I live, and sometimes it is evident they've been around during the night, from the droppings on the lawn. I don't feel aggrieved at what is, for them, perfectly natural behaviour. Similarly, when someone with Epiglotis's evident problems gets drunk and makes a fool of himself - again - it's neither here nor there to me.

Rather more concerning is Johnd's allegation, which if true would mean I'd be abusing your "hospitality". It is certainly the case that there are numerous other ways VDWers share thoughts, most of them extant well before the VDW thread on your board. I have certainly drawn the attention of several posters here to one or more of these, as I thought they might be of interest. But I have never made the slightest attempt to get anyone to stop posting here.

There has undoubtedly been a falling off in worthwhile postings, but the cause of that, I suspect, is exasperation at the mindlessness, and possibly some disgust at the abusive language, of several of the "sceptics". To the best of my knowledge, no VDWer, however sceptical they might be about others' systems, etc makes any attempt to disrupt such threads. It is no problem for me that others feel we are pursuing a dead end, or are barmy to be so interested in exploring races run twenty or more years ago. But I find it irksome that, not content with making their position clear, and having absolutely no genuine interest in VDW whatsoever, they feel the need to keep visiting the thread and posting their rubbish.

I very much fear this thread will not get back to its old levels of posting, and particularly the quality of postings from the likes of Guest (which has prompted one member, now long absent from here as a poster, alas, but still seen occasionally in the "gallery", to compile a CD of Guest's posts for research purposes) while that continues.


Jimmy

I note from one of your posts on another thread that you've effectively given up backing horses, and transferred your attentions to other sports. I hope, however, that after our exchanges earlier in the week you availed yourself today. Given my work commitment (which covers tomorrow as well) I have yet to analyse any of today's races from a VDW perspective, but organised the Pricewise arbs as usual. Four in one week is exceptional, and to find that two of today's had won when I got in about an hour ago was very pleasing.

I'm really surprised fulham when you say, "Always a sadness when work interferes with some good quality racing!"
I would have thought that someone like you who is so successful at making money from racing would not have to bother about the tedium of work. After all if the likes of investor can make a fabulous living from it why can't you?

Especially on a Saturday, you wouldn't get me in for anything less than double time.

Double time, what's that? Is it when the bookie pays 8/1 about a 4/1 shot? Sounds good to me.

It really boils down to what is the root of the present malaise on this thread? Is it;

A/ The hecklers, who have been with this thread from the start? or;

B/ The private thread, WHICH IN FULHAM'S OWN WORDS, has grown fourfold in recent times, very much in line with the decline of postings on this thread?
Beware the snake with the silver tongue!

Johnd
if you had conducted yourself in a civil way maybe you could have been one of the fourfold,Jealousy rears it's head again.

Jimmy
It's absolutely Fabulous.

JohnD - What are you worried about?

You told us long ago that you have it sussed and more to the point that others are wrong regarding VDW. I think that is far from the truth and your results have done little to back your claims.

Note I have not made any claims on the board other than to say that I make a profit in the long run and that my way fits VDWs selections. Your way, whatever it is, doesn't fit VDWs unless you can go back and prove it by comparing with his examples. You say you can't be bothered, I say that is a ridiculous reason. If i couldn't match my findings with VDWs then I would have given up long ago.

As to postings dropping off, I am sure this has nothing to do with people posting elsewhere and everything to do with the ignorant, abusive postings from a sad minority on this board. They know who they are, and more importantly Gummy knows who they are.

Besides, the membership of the board must have increased greatly, though one can no longer see the exact figure anymore for some reason. Surely these newcomers have something to say, or are they all natural born lurkers? I don't know, but you would have thought any lapse in regulars contributions would have been negated by posts from the many new members.

As with all parasites, members of the private thread realise that, with no host to feed upon, they will eventually perish.
Where will you peddle your tripe then?

GUMMY
For the long term health of this thread, clear them out now! They do not post on here, ( Apart from the recruiting agents), but they will happily continue to draw on any new blood this thread provides for them.

Dr Fulham,

There`s no doubt you`ve got one or two critics, you could say we share some common ground there.

Your post to Gummy re the Epi business was admirable.

I hope you have a cracking week against the bookies.

JohnD - Anyone reading your last post would think you were talking about some strange religious cult.

Your first paragraph makes no sense regarding forums on the net. Racing forums on the net are destroyed by people like you and certain others who hate to see others showing an interest in something you don't understand. To put a different spin on your analogy, it is people like you who are the parasites. When the majority stop posting, very probably due to the abuse and taunts thrown at them, you and others have to provoke even harder to get some response and thus new blood for yourselves.

If you can't even look at this forum objectively, how on earth do you think you can look at the VDW methods objectively?

One last bit of advice to you, John. Go right back to the start with VDW if you really want to go any further with it. Your idea of what it is all about clearly doesn't fit with the examples he gave. Most of your observations are no different to the many pundits that grace our screens and pages every day. The whole point of VDW developing his own approach was that it was different and went against the grain.

I know it works in the long run, though recently quite a few singled out for the 80% thread have finished close 2nds. A lot of your selections from your perception of the methods haven't been sighted. Why? They can't all have had off days.

I'll carry on with the 80% thread because I know over a period that those near misses will turn into winners.

I much appreciate your full and honest assessment of the irrelevence of my trivial posts, thank you.

Guest
I'm glad to read that you're carrying on with 80% selections.