walter; thanks for the article by classform, do you have any of his previous articles/.. the last in depth debate on van der wheil i think around the mid 90s,,produced some interesting articles, by,classform, keith stokes, amongst others do you still have any of these letters, walter i would welcome any assistance, many thanks grundy

john duncan

Grundy,
I only have two articles from classform but i thought they were worth saving from the update, one was entitled "when its time to take take the money" which dealt with stanton harcourt, which was a roushayd type (by all accounts) lol, the other "vdw intended to give something back" which dealt with four horses, Istabraq, French Holly, Russian Music, & Monassib. I liked that classforms style grundy he tried to simplify things so that those less talented could gain at least a little insight into how vdw worked, why he thought it necessary to reveal some of his findings without any ambiguity is anybodys guess perish the thought pmsl.All the races mentioned were in the 97/98 seasons grundy & all the horses mentioned won thier races, take a look on the r.p. website.