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Thanks JIB; I am looking to find out more about him.
Do you or any one else have any of the answers to the following? A, what was his real name? B. Were was he born, town? Was he married, and if so was his wife English or Dutch, where did she come from, country, town? Thanks any one. |
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Thanks Tup, I did get the book and read that part.
What I had considered doing, if I could get any answers to my first questions. Was to find if he had made any contributions in the Dutch racing press or of any reference to him before he came to England. May be if there is any Dutch references then perhaps there are futher clues to his methods. Just a thought. |
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I wonder which of the Dutch West Indies he visited. Could it be that hes just over the border from me in Suriname?
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TUP thanks again, the name he has used for his articles are not his real name, so it does not get me much further.
If as is said he was in the resistance then this can posibly be authenticated. Thanks again. |
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Tups,
Thankyou very much for putting up those articles which i have never seen before, i enjoyed reading about the man himself, good on ya!. |
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What evidence have you that "Van der Wheil" was not the author's real name? |
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I`ll put these on this thread as at the moment i think this is where they are are best suited as i have to say im not impressed with the general co-operation on the vdw threads, in 1997 one corresspondent to r/f/u was kind enough to give a few examples with one or two vdw bets as HE saw them, 1st race discussed was the champion hurdle.
betting forecast; 11/4, istabraq. consistency; 3, istabraq. ability/class; 236, istabraq. highest class; 341, istabraq. istabraq is super consistent has the highest class rating and has also achieved the highest class win this season. result istabraq won 3/1. betting forecast; 7/4, french holly. consistency; 3; french holly. ability/class; 54; french holly. highest class;159; french holly. french holly is again super consistent, has the highest class rating and has also achieved the highest class win this season. result french holly won 2/1. He gave other examples concerning handicap races & conditions races, those of you who are lucky enough to have these articles on hand will have benefited from them. One involved russian music. The other Monaassib. |
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Walter Pigeon
I dont really understand the point. Are you showing cases where the horse was top in all the numerical fields and suggesting that's a prerequisite for a VDW selection? If so, it makes sense but doesn't seem to be the case historically, how often do such opportunities arise? |
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Epi, these articles were written by classform he wrote in to r/f/u a few times he also wrote about a horse called Stanton Harcourt who won at Newmarket july 19th 1997 trained by John Dunlop, stating this was a roushayd type check him out on the r.p.website.
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Walter
Thanks for the further details. |
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Epi, im only putting up whats in the articles its up to others to decide thier worth, no doubt there will be situations where horses with all these atributes have been beaten for one reason or another, but if the reasons not to bet are hard to find then id certainly be interested, would`nt you? what we need to decide is what constitutes a reasonable degree of uncertainty.
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Food for thought, as Guest would say.
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Having just read most of the postings on this site about vdw, It comes as no surprise that all these years later confusion still reigns.
Did vdw really exist as a person. Surely the most important thing here is whether the information that was imparted is relevant to finding winners in Horse Racing, no matter by whom. If we have read vdw's articles as we all claim to have done, then we should know if he was a heavy bettor. Are the above paragraphs really relevant to finding winners? The strike rate that was "acheived", was this really that extraordinary?. Well, if one looks at how many methods that vdw had in his armoury, then in my opinion, no. The word TEMPERAMENT, is this also being misinterpreted as were some earlier examples that he gave, this is where most fail "of that there can be no doubt". Soaf was given in an earlier posting in this thread as an excellent vdw example, these types come along more frequently than one could imagine, particularly in Group races, along with the Roushayd types, and the two to three year old method that was given to us. I have read recent articles elsewhere that vdw did not wager in the early part of the flat season, this of course was clearly not the case as most of us know, but it does serve to show how we all interpret things differently. The same can be said for any race that is analysed using vdw methodology, INTERPRETATION will nearly always vary, WHY??, because of compromise, which in turn will always lead to frustration. I have also read on this thread about Prominent King in regards to weight, in my experience "weight is a very important factor", a trainer will always use this as an advantage whenever he/she can, and it is up to us to spot these "FACTS". I also cannot see why a short price "good thing" should never be taken, this of course is down to individual choice, however, when the "facts" are dealt with in the same manner (Temperament) as other races are analysed, and no wager is struck, then I can see no point in using vdw methodology. Lastly, why is it that Guest is getting criticised from certain quarters for sharing his views in trying to help!!!!!!. Rightly or wrongly his interpretations and views are there for all to see and share, after all is he the only one amongst us who puts his money on losers?. These are only my personal views that have stood me in good stead over many years, and no offence should be taken by them. "r" |
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Thanks for a good and thoughtful post. As you posted it on the questions thread I'll venture an answer. The main reason that Guest comes in for criticism is because his self presentation is poor, he comes across as extrememly arrogant. This is how the first sentence of his first post began: "Without wishing to rock too many boats (or cradles)", for a considerable time after this Guest posted nothing worthwhile, basically repeating meaningless remarks about "hidden factors". Eventually Guest did post some interesting stuff, from among 450 posts there are a handfull worth reading, but by then the tone had been set so that even now most of the 'discussion' is conducted in terms so vague as to be virtually pointless, for this Guest is directly to blame. Guest himself has said that he's thick skinned enough to take the "criticism" and I imagine he would have to be if this is the style in which he generally conducts himself. |
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