John d you have been shown a yellow card please moderate the tone of your postings otherwise you will be suspended from the forum

To be honest Pete, I couldn't really give a toss.
I obviously care a lot more for the forum than you do, otherwise you wouldn't let the following pass unremarked:

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johnd
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Posted August 31, 2008 02:13 PM Hide Post
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Originally posted by sean rua:
A pity, but not totally unexpected, I suppose.
So, in keeping with the way they seem to want to float the boat, perhaps it will suit when I say that the overriding impression given out by some of the dolts on here is that, though they most likely take it up the arse, they'd make themselves better understood if they took the knob out of their mouths, before spouting shite.

though I'm not about to sell my integrity down the river to support it.
If you'd rather have liars and pondlife disrupting the forum, then that is entirely up to you.
Johnd

I've thought about this syuff and am happy to put stuff behind John..but I would prefer you not to be calling me a liar all the time.

The problem is John that you have pushed people a little too far...Sean's posting above imo is over the top..but you are making people post like that..my posts yesterday ..I do regret actually.. in a way...but you asked for them.

I would like us all to get on together and stop trying to oneup all the time...I'm nobody, never said I was a somebody...but I am not here for you to keep banging on at like you have done since 2005.

I'm sorry Gummy for my postings..and I won't be going down that route again..I would rather not post anymore here than lower mesen in that way again.

John..do you not think WE have all put Gummy in a poor position here???

lets move on eh...I'm prepared to...what about you?

Hi AlL

Quite alot of mine is bigger than yours.

Admittedly I have not posted an awful lot worth consideration, although I fail to comprehend the girly talk that has been going on of late.

Mr Gummy I also feel that you are letting yourself down by not moderating the forum to what I and other members feel a responsibility on YOUR PART.

As you know I run another forum pertaining to VDW, and you have also looked into migrating the older posts on this forum to a new forum. They do not cost alot but there could be probs to archive older posts but it is most definitely not beyond the realms of possibility.

Mr Gummy your forum has been out here for a long time and long may it continue but I feel you need to take a more of a hands on when it is desired of this thread.

To others perhaps a look at the 5 previous markets may give an idea and also be very aware of those going up and down in class - although down in class I think has a big thought on the Old Feller.

I will also use this opportunity to offer my sincere condolences to Mtoto.

I ask all of you on this board who contribute either negative or positive to pray and or wish him and his family all the best. Also to pray or wish the very best for them over the coming weeks, months and years.

Life is now in perspective please be constructive, we do not know how long we will be here or there for.

Kind Regards

reom

Gummy

I think it is fair to say that, without the VDW section, there would be no board for anyone to post on, nor would there have been for a very long time. That is not to denigrate the efforts of others elsewhere on this forum, just a recognition of the major part that interest in VDW has played in this forum's longevity.
Though I have occasionally posted on other threads, it's no secret that my main concern has been with the VDW section , and the vast majority of my two thousand odd posts have been on that subject. Though it's been a bumpy ride, I have remained loyal to this forum throughout, supported you throughout your long absence with marital problems when most were baying for your blood, and continued posting when there were no more than myself, Walter, and Tuppenycat, to keep the section going.
During my time on here I have never attempted to join any of the breakaway forums or private clubs, and often fought against the odds to keep the forum to its raison d'etre VDW, without which it probably wouldn't have survived anyway.
Lest you forget, I was the one who originally blew the whistle when Fulham and his cronies were spiriting your members away by the back door, and I'm also the one that has had to take on such as Ectoo head-to-head when they have come on here rubbishing VDW and his followers periodically. What you won't know is that I have also sent books, form books, computer programmes etc, to at least a dozen of your members without ever asking for anything in return - even offered the despicable Seanrua all my form books free of charge when they would have been worth £200/£300 on ebay - and freely given private advice to members on the method whenever it has been asked for. I have also learned a lot from this forum and tried, where-ever possible, to give a little back, but your own lack of interest and reasonable moderation makes that more untenable by the day.
If you wish to ban me go ahead, I have little to gain from here in its present format and, God knows, I am heartily sick of the detritus thrown up by the morons you give free rein to currently. Maybe it will be good for the forum, though you can already count the regular posters with a genuine interest in VDW on the fingers of one hand, so it might also go the other way.
One thing is certain, the three-ring circus you have at the moment is in the interests of no one but the disrupters.
Sincerely
Johnd.

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Gummy, you don't change do you? Although I haven't posted much since my return I have tried to keep my posts positive, not always successful I must admit.
You have yellow carded JohnD and in some ways I can see why, I don't agree but, as I say I can see why. The next step is I suppose the red card. Alright so be it. I won't be missed but if you red card JohnD then red card me as well. I left this board before because of this and I am happy to leave again. I am the longest member on here, joining just after Swish about four Gummy racing boards before this one, so I would say I was entitled to an opinion.
Many years ago you asked what to do with the VDW thread because it was getting so large and I suggested that the best thing to do with it was to put in the bin where it belonged. But no, you insisted it was good for the forum. Well I suggest that VDW has destroyed what used to be the best forum on the net for racing. Now the only person who ardently defends it, JohnD, is being threatened simply because he passionately defends it.
OK so JohnD and Ectoo have issues, SO WHAT? They are both big enough and probably ugly enough to defend themselves. You are the one who wanted VDW and all it entails so put up with it.

Jimmymac

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Many years ago you [Gummy] asked what to do with the VDW thread because it was getting so large and I suggested that the best thing to do with it was to put in the bin where it belonged.

Why that suggestion? Have you not found anything of value in VDW's work?

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jimmymac

I am the longest member on here

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Nobody wants to see anybody red-carded.

And nobody needs to be either. All that is being asked for is a bit of self-discipline in the manner in which people post.

The decision as to whether anyone is red-carded is in the hands of the contributor. I.e. does the post warrant a red card.

We (ALL of us) slip up from time-to-time. I can think of a couple of occasions when I should have had a yellow card.

Speaking just for myself, I visit the board to learn and for a little entertainment, and do not want to see the baiting and often spiteful comments written to and fro. These may not bother some, but they do bother me.

If the method can't be defended without resorting to the tone of some of the recent posts, then to my way of thinking, it doesn't say much for the method.

I guess poor old Gummy can't win. If it continues without moderation, he loses member x. If it is moderated, he loses member y.

I'll finish this post as I started. Nobody wants to see anybody red-carded, least of all a loyal, long-standing member.

BlackCat

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If the method can't be defended without resorting to the tone of some of the recent posts, then to my way of thinking, it doesn't say much for the method

The above is the only point in your post with which I disagree.

The fact that abusive remarks are exchanged between a member who values VDW's work and two others who, if they value it at all, do so less highly is not a reflection of the quality of the work but of the individuals concerned.

I don't know how many hundreds of past postings I've read my way through over the past couple of months, but it is quite obvious that VDW's work is capable of being discussed calmly and constructively - and after all why not, it is only a way of selecting racehorses, not a political or religious cause!

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johnd
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Posted August 12, 2008 12:05 AM Hide Post
GJ

Are you Fulham, or his b*stard offspring, because you are definitely not what you'd have us believe?

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I don't wish to dwell on tiresome issues like this, but when there's talk of redcards etc, a few facts may help us decide what really happened.

In summary, johnd started abusing Mtoto on August 4. He went on to attack GJ, calling him a BASTARD, moreorless.

Later, AC tells us to take no heed of what johnd says as it's "bollox".

Then we got the long spat involving EC, johnd and myself.

There wasn't much of a problem before August, imo, but things got bad toward the end of the month.
You will note that I didn't pipe up till quite a while after johnd had started his campaign of abuse.
Finally, he descended to an alltime low, when he tried to mock a man who had recently lost his son, imo.

All very silly, imo. I'll not be looking behind, or in the mirrors, and I don't know what's around the next bend.
That's the last I'll be saying about things that happened last month - I hope!

It's is not VDW work that is the problem it's a large number of the people who defend it, in the main bullshit artists. I'm a member of another board where people put up an analysis of an upcoming race and it is discussed by other members, some of whom purport to use VDW, and there are no problems. On here what was happening, when I suggested putting the thread in the bin, was that people were naming two or three possible selections in a race and if none of them won that was the end but, if any of then won that was it, VDW had shown another winner.
The reason I left was that I had issues with a lying sack of shit called investor, when I argued with him, people like that sanctimonious prick, ibrox, would come on and tell everyone to be nice to each other. Finally Gummy warned everyone that posts on the VDW thread had to be about nothing but VDW and any abuse would not be tolerated, in other words a gagging order. If you remove my right to speak I leave.

Now picture the scene. You're on a long train journey, which involves a change in a small town, you miss the connection and you have six hours to wait for the next train. You've never been in this town before so you leave the station looking for a pub to spend a few pleasant hours and notice one almost next door to the station, you go in and find it warm and inviting and order a drink from the friendly bar staff and settle down in a comfortable chair. The bar starts to fill up with locals.............
What kind of locals do you want? A bunch of choirboys who all say nice things to each other and never an unhappy word? Or a bunch of degenerate gamblers who are passionate about what they believe is the correct way to bet on whatever they're interested in?
I know which group I would prefer.

Jimmy

Thanks. It seems to me that we got quite close to the situation on the other forum to which you refer with the discussion of a couple of races last weekend, and hopefully will again with Ectoo's suggested race tomorrow and Les's suggestion of the Ayr Gold Cup on Saturday.

Okay I have let this forum go by not moderating it and not putting enough time into it over the past couple of years I would be the first to admit that but I will be watching this thread and any sign of postings not pertaining to the subject of VDW will be deleted.
So don't bother putting up long postings about anything else as it will be a waste of your time.

Gummy
That's a start Pete, but it really does need someone to moderate the forum on a regular basis if it's ever to get out of its present slough.

Jimmy
Thanks for the support; appreciated!

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One thing is certain, the three-ring circus you have at the moment is in the interests of no one but the disrupters.

This to me is the crux of the problem.

Jimmymac's posting above is so bang on the money..it actually defines what a good messageboard should be

What kind of locals do you want? A bunch of choirboys who all say nice things to each other and never an unhappy word? Or a bunch of degenerate gamblers who are passionate about what they believe is the correct way to bet on whatever they're interested in?
I know which group I would prefer.


what a great post that is..nice one Jimmy...wish I had made a post like that


John obviously favours the choirboy scenario...if he doesn't get it he is in uproar at anyone he sees as an interloper.

Clearly someone like me is an interloper...so he has made me his natural "enemy"...since 2005 like.

thats bad news for everyone..but John doesn't see it...he thinks it matters not how you talk to someone because he is sure everyone else will want to see the back of the interloper(s)..so he just rips shreds off that person knowing he will get full support of everyone else...the problem is...everyone don't want the choirboy scenario.

Over the last few weeks John has realised that his view of what he wants to read is not actually what others want at all...and all of a sudden he thinks his "friends" have thrown in with the interlopers...resulting in him throwing a big tantrum..first he stops posting for three days then when he does post...each one is filled with dislike for those he views as "spoiling" his forum.

Above I have done my best to offer an olive branch to someone who has treated me poorly from day one on here...result...he doesn't even acknowledge it...well I'm sorry...but the sign of a man is someone that is prepared to put stuff behind and start afresh...that seems to much to ask..very disappointing.

So...as John is not going to ever compromise with me...for the forum to continue..I am happy to not post here again...it's no problem to me..it takes my time and tbh I shouldn't be wasting it in this way anyway.

The spats with John are NOT enjoyable for me..and are totally non productive for anyone else.

all the best...keep the pre race discussion going at least..it's worthy.

John d and Jimmy Mac have you ever thought about contributing to other areas of the forum apart from vdw.

Gummy, do you ever read any other part of the forum?

So do you want to be suspended from the forum so you can go and pick up all your toys?

Gummy

Few of the people who post on this section actually post much elsewhere. Jimmy, however, is an exception:
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