johnd

yes i do read the post,to the best of my ability.



i do note you dont read all the post , or is it you pick and choose which are the easiest to answer.

come on redeem yourself if you can.

All this wisdom on the back of a 4/6 winner, (Not to mention the unplaced 7/4 shot he also selected) and suddenly he's giving advice to the masses.
Ffs, smell the coffee. The man is a perennial loser. Always has been, always will be.

John

You either don't read posts properly or you are of an extremely low intellect.

the 4/6 winner you talk about was the sp...evens was freely available about DOM...and seeing as I knew I was backing him in the morning it wasn't hard to get...do you understand this aspect of racing?...or are you a person daft enough to take sp when you have a little bet?

If you are aware of different confidence levels...I clearly stated the loser was not as strong as DOM...it's all there in black and white. I clearly stated.. with no ummimg and arring as is prevalent from the worthies you admire on here...that DOM was a major play.

Perennial loser...mmm...I'd check back on threads I started on this forum alone..threads where you never took part because many winners were highlighted...not that you are biased of course.

No...I don't win all the time John...and neither do you...but what I do do is seek to improve. If you were around in the DIRECT RACING days you would know that I had a great deal of success...and backed that up with analysis. I also had many success's on BOTB board & EBA board...all that spanning 8 years.

How long have you been around?...where is your track record?

I'm nothing special...but...I will tell you what I am not...a pretender...a bullshitter...or an aftertimer.

You are coming across as a jealous bitter little man...I really hope this isn't the case because you might as well shove your head in an oven with those traits...you are neither use to man nor beast.

I have nowt to prove...particularly to a person like you.

From day one on here I've had to put up with shite from you..totally uncalled for....not one person steeped in then...so you got it back...and deserved it. As usual when I retalited against against you I get folk like Andy Capper telling what a **** I was treating the forum in such a way...well if he had been reading from my first postings on here he would have seen the shite I had.

Now you have been displaying that same attitude towards Sean..and I think people are just beginning to realise what an unpleasant creature you are with certain posters.

Lets be clear here...you know bugger all about me...but see fit to pass judgement about what I can or cannot do...what do you base that on eh?..blind hatred of a username on an internet forum?...yer sad git John.

Why don't you grow up?..you don't get plaudits that change your life on internet messageboards...like you seem to think you do..why the hell are you jealous that someone might get a little credit?

Why are you so scathing when someone tries to help...Paul asked you a perfectly reasonable question..the answer you gave would have got you a crack face to face I think...totally out of order John.

I know something John...you need professional help...with the attitude displayed ...just on this page.. you come across as a completely despicable, nasty minded cretin...why anyone responds to any post in any friendly way...is a mystery to me.

Are you the same in real life?...I bloody hope not.

I don't care what you think of me...but why the F*** do you think anyone else wants to read your petty nasty thoughts about someone they don't know either.

FFS..sort your head out.



I've just read your latest post John...yes I go away...to get away from you

Johnd

Thanks.

When I said that DOM was the correct vdw methodological selection, I was using the guidelines set out by Gummy himself. His summary of basic vdw is probably still available in the Archives.

Also in the Archives, as Johndolt will surely remember, are the thoughts and outbursts of one PRO - INVESTOR, another self-proclaimed expert and authority on everything.

With my failing memory - having forgotten more about racehorses than johndolt has even dreamt about - I'm not quite sure now whether it was ever proven beyond doubt that Investor, who admitted to frequenting a mental asylum, was a close associate and colleague of said john.

If that were the case, it may explain a lot, imo.
Very sad, really.

This remind's me of ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST

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Originally posted by ectoo:
As usual when I retalited against against you I get folk like Andy Capper telling what a **** I was treating the forum in such a way...well if he had been reading from my first postings on here he would have seen the shite I had.

EC,
Probably my last post on here as it would appear Gummy wants contributions to the costs and that will rule me out. I more or less gave up forums some time ago as I found them counter-productive in the main. I don't post anywhere else these days and only very infrequently here.

I can't really be bothered trawling back through old posts and conversations we had but I'd be surprised if I called you a **** for any reason on here. You and I both know how long we go back on forums right back to the good old days of Direct Racing and you've always been one of the few posters I've had genuine respect for. I may well have said that you appear to have very little understanding of the methods and I stand by that but hey, each to their own. We each choose the path we want to tread.

However, that doesn't mean that I won't comment when I think you are talking bollocks, I'm sure you'd expect nothing less

A couple of comments on your recent posts:
Unlike Lee....I put selections up before races
You levelled this same accusation against Lee some time ago. Lee himself replied pointing out to you all the posts giving selections before the race over a short period time. Yet you still want to indirectly have a go at him. I'm not here to defend Lee, he's more than capable of doing that himself if he chooses but at least keep the facts straight.

booklet selling seems a priority of many postings to this VDW thread Sean

I'm not sure who this comment refers to but I really don't think it's applicable to anybody currently posting on here. John D may be a lot of things but I don't think he or anybody else is involved with Mr Seddon aka Browzers who seem to hold the publishing rights to the booklets.

VDW always seems to be a very emotive subject and unfortunately when certain posters get up the noses of others it often results in rubbishing of the methods which is the wrong way round, the poster may be behaving an arsehole but that isn't reflective of the methods.

I'm not interested in posting selections and I'm not interested in the selections of others. As far as I'm concerned it turns into a pi$$ing contest and I've nowt to prove to anybody but myself. I only returned to this thread as I get an email digest and I saw a poster (George Johns) who was obviously working hard studying the methods and I thought John D was talking bollocks to him. I wanted to offer him some alternative thoughts and that's what I did. He may have found what I had to say useful or he may have found my comments bollocks, that's up to him but hopefully he appreciated the spirit in which they were offered.

I've been very fortunate, my interest in VDW's methods resurfaced a number of years ago. I did OK with it, I got my share of winners and found it very profitable but always felt I was missing something. I've been helped along the way to a greater understanding by certain people and I'm grateful for that. Nobody ever spelt out anything EC, I had to do the work myself but I was helped by the views of one person in particular who I hold in the greatest regard. If I can offer a little back to others starting out on the road then I'll try and do that. The sad fact is that most people don't want to do the hard work, they only want the answers. That's not just true of VDW but of racing and racing forums in general. I don't claim all the answers but I do know that it is a VERY profitable method of selection and it's never going to be spelt out in a public place for the leeches.

I've no axe to grind with anybody on here, despite my differing views, life's too short, it's only a bloody forum and I therefore wish you all well.

Andy Capper

I did indeed find your comments very useful, and only hope that, as I come to apply what I've learnt to current races, I too find the method very profitable.

As it looks as though the forum is nearing its end, best wishes and thanks. And, against the possibility that either may look in, the same to Guest and Lee, whose posts on the archived thread have been of great help to me.

Relax GJ.
It may just be the end for the poison merchants; a clean sweep could be the best thing to happen in a while!

ok Andy

no you didn't call me that but you were a bit put out at my responses to the idiot...maybe you can now see what I had to put up with ...the board half wit.

I have every respect for your views and can understand where you are with teh forum stuff.

re Lee...I checked back on the supposedly great selections he put up

I'm sorry but vague hints to horses winning isn't putting selections up.......xxx should run well...when it don't its never mentioned again...like the very last tip he recently put about..a few months ago...it was a short priced animal over the jumps...and it fell...never got mentioned again..if it had been me picking same horse ..idiot JackassD would have never let it drop...he derides me putting winners up for gods sake.

this is one of the problems with forums...you get one or two..in this case one...who wants to be lauded as an expert...when it don't happen they can't cope and so take it out on carefully selected recipients.

I am quite sure that JackassD is mentally unstable..if Gummy has any sense he will deposit the prick at the earliest opportunity now he is changing the board rules. The last thing you need on a paid forum is a total cock like him.

I don't want anything from anyone...but what I would have liked was a forum where i could come and read sensible analysis/ take part in it...because you just don't get that on any board now...as Mtoto said...he posted on TRF and no one there ..tbh... is bothered about race analysis etc.

It's a real shame that just one anus can totally trash a forum...unfortunately one has here

Don't worry JackassD..you won't need to read much more by me..as I don't pay to post on forums..like Andy...I won't take part in that..it's too limiting imho..you need many people taking part to give many views..although I sympathise with Gummy on this..it just won't be for me..which many will be pleased about I'm sure.

Ectoo

Enough is enough!
For years you have lied and cheated yout way across internet forums, caring nothing about the damage you have wreaked, but only for your own stupid, senseless, and misplaced ego.
You have repeatedly come on this board ridiculing VDW and his followers, and repeatedly left when exposed as the bitter and twisted person you really are. Twice I have placed before you a tipping challenge, which you reneged on the grounds that I might "alter my selections after the race", something I have never done once on this board, but which you have done on at least 3 - so much so that on one well-known board it caused a number of honest members to complain about your chicanery which is a matter of record. The original challenge (£500) still stands if you think your knowledge outstrips that of a VDW follower, you won't take it up because, as usual, you are all mouth and no substance. (Incidentally, I have never claimed any expertise, just to understand the simple message of VDW better than most).
Similarly with Lee, he has put up succesful selections on this board, clearly and unequivocally, with nothing at all like the vagary your lies suggest, and once again, a matter of record that can be checked by anyone.
You have regularly accused VDW of after-timing, yet also claimed a totally unsubstantiated strike rate of 19 winners from 22 selections which, if they were at all the standouts you suggest, could be quite easily proven, but won't be because, as we both know, they are just more of your lies.
The real truth (not words you would recognise) is that your mission on here is self-agrandisement, something you have signally failed to achieve for the simple reason it contains a subject matter which you have little worthwhile knowledge of, hence all the vitriol and bad feeling you cause every time you come on the board.
There is value in VDW, the archive wouldn't be the size that it is without it; some of us have seen it and remained true to it (>15 years in my case), despite the best attempts of ignoramuses such as you to deprecate it, and it will go on long after you have given up trying to disprove it.
Not for everyone to trawl the internet looking for ways to improve their betting, or to wreck things they don't understand, some of us are quite happy with our lot as it stands, something you obviously are not, or unlikely ever will be.
This forum, as other forums have found, will be better off without you. I hope, for your own sake, that one day you find what you are looking for, though I sincerely doubt it.

JOHND

£500 CHALLENGE THAT SOUNDS INTERESTING.

What were the requirements , you can only name a horse after it has won.

How do you collect the £500 if you do'nt no the person or were they live.


£500 pound do'nt sound like a big enough wager to me, for people who make horse racing pay.

Jd,

You remind me of a chimpanzee who is having his territory examined by another male.

You jump up and down, bear your teeth, and screech.

As you will remember from your trips to the zoo these antics only serve to amuse the spectators who, enchanted by the lack of composure, attach all their affections to the rival.

Certainly, speaking as just a punter and neutral observer who would like to benefit from reading racing messageboards, I think the general perception would have to be that johndolt is, indeed, some sort of clown, employed by, either, Gummy to try to drum up interest, or, by the booklet sellers.
Nobody, of course, will admit to being a booklet seller ( but check out e-bay, if you're really interested) - just as nobody will admit to selling the Big Issue.

Anyway, although I think the realistic chance of my ever getting very far with this vdw methodology is very slim, I would like to to ask - more in hope than expectation,
could johnd offer an explanation as to why it is that he is able to understand vdw methodology better than everybody else?

A very genuine question, imo, as with it I have conceded that johndolt knows and understands vdw methodology better than anybody else in the world. This is quite a leap of faith, btw, that few would be prepared to take!

Given then, that we have found the Messiah, may I ask humbly how and why it fell to him to be the Chosen One?
Was he born in a stable under a star, as predicted in scripture, or, is there, perhaps, some blood link with the mysterious VDW?

I would love to know the reason for johnd's superior powers, but, on a more mundane level, I have to say that, imo, if the Time Team took all their resources, and all their personnel, from every single programme they ever made, and trawled right across Leicestershire inch by inch, they would find NO TRACE of any Che van der wheil or whatever the fk the mythical dude was called!

Now, all ye young folk have been given adequate warning; it's up to ye to make up your own minds, but don't be blaming the likes of me or EC if it all ends in tears, after years wasted on a wild goose chase.

As for johnd: he's a puppet, imo. I just hope it's not Investor who has his hand stuck up his arse.

Sean

In respect of the identity of Van der Wheil, there is an interesting thread in this section titled "A time for great humility", in case you've not come across it.

Jib

Don't they also live in the jungle and swallow their own faeces?

John

this will be the last time I waste anytime on your nonsense, but seein as you have put up blatant lies about me I will defend myself agains your imaginative but inaccurate assessment of my time spent on messageboards

Enough is enough!
For years you have lied and cheated yout way across internet forums, caring nothing about the damage you have wreaked, but only for your own stupid, senseless, and misplaced ego.

I can't really see how I can lie and cheat when most of my posts are discussing racing with other like minded people

so ?????..to that bag of nonsense.

You have repeatedly come on this board ridiculing VDW and his followers, and repeatedly left when exposed as the bitter and twisted person you really are.

actually the only ridicule I have given is to you and other phonies on here...in the main there are some well respected...by me...people on here...you are obviously not one of them.

Twice I have placed before you a tipping challenge, which you reneged on the grounds that I might "alter my selections after the race", something I have never done once on this board,

actually..it was only once and I believe it was me that challenged you..in fact I might even have started a thread for your selections..that can be checked. As far as I remember everything was in place for the challenge to go ahead..but YOU blatantly refused to put selections up the night before the race in the hope that you could use the hour before..no show ...edit facility on the board...basically you can edit a selection within one hour without the edit appearing as an edit...think it has changed now... Once I realised you had bugger all intention of posting "fair" selections I automatically marked you down as a cheating shite and decided I was no longer prepared to waste time with such a cock. No, you won't have done it before..there were no money or ego at stake..instead you slip in little mentions for horses with absolutely no confidence behind them.

So...before I go any further...anyone reading this can see what a lying fantasist you are already...how relevant is any of the other crap you have posted?...lets see

but which you have done on at least 3 - so much so that on one well-known board it caused a number of honest members to complain about your chicanery which is a matter of record

I have never deleted one horse selection post in my life..not much point when everyone can read it...I've deleted posts on boards where people turned deletion into an artform..RSUK for one...but no dleted posts by me have ever contained tips or selections...a slightly bizarre accusation seeing as everyone has already read postings.

just on the above accusation alone..you are just one lying, twisted piece of shit JohnD...I would not piss on your type if on fire.

I'll suggest again to you...seek some help..you have got mental health problems.

The original challenge (£500) still stands if you think your knowledge outstrips that of a VDW follower, you won't take it up because, as usual, you are all mouth and no substance

The original challenge was mine JohnD...I think you are muddling up when you were posting as Lee and made me a challenge.

Nobody in their right minds takes up internet challenges anyway..I WAS prepared to though until I found out what a cheating piece of rubbish you are.

Re mouth and substance..out of all the years posting on boards you are the EMPTIEST vessel I've come across...and the most obvious for needing medication.

You have regularly accused VDW of after-timing, yet also claimed a totally unsubstantiated strike rate of 19 winners from 22 selections which, if they were at all the standouts you suggest, could be quite easily proven, but won't be because, as we both know, they are just more of your lies.

you have regularly stuck up for VDW for aftertiming..but when I do it you don't like it...that suggests to me what a twisted, hateful, biased individual you are.

Lets get this straight...I'll say what the f*** I like on here..and only Gummy will tell me otherwise..you don't tell me what to do because it's f*** all to do with you what I post...and if you ever called me a liar to my face you would only do it once old lad.

There is value in VDW, the archive wouldn't be the size that it is without it; some of us have seen it and remained true to it (>15 years in my case), despite the best attempts of ignoramuses such as you to deprecate it

this is where your main problem with me lies..I was reading VDW when it first got published the Handicap Book pal..30 years ago...you are but a novice at racing with yer 15 years

I were reading VDW and trying to put it into practise whilst someone changed your nappies John.

Don't make out you don't claim to be an expert..you are always doing it...telling folk ...they don't understand VDW..like you do...you will never see it until you have studied it like me etc....I study more than anyone I do..... It's that type of..I understand it and no one else ever will attitude.. that puts people out..yer an ego maniac John.

This forum, as other forums have found, will be better off without you. I hope, for your own sake, that one day you find what you are looking for, though I sincerely doubt it

yeah..TRF is way better without me...when I were posting on there..180 posters online everyday...check it out now...about 15 per day..if they are lucky

obviously times change but when an administration as on there doesn't have a clue about running a board and lets cocks like you wind up decent members...as was the case on TRF...the board eventually turns into an idiots paradise...TRF is a shadow of it's former self..due to piss poor admin.

So yet again you make a statement without any fact behind it...not like you...normally a beacon of truth aren't yer?????

don't respond to this John..because I won't ever be responding to any posting by you again...how you have not been banned from here is beyond me.....but if you look round forums most are very poor now.....that is because over time....people like you...I call them board cancers....f*** off all the best posters...leaving little dregs like you to post yer bollocks to each other..with just a very small audience of JohnD's reading it.

the internet racing board generally is dead John...just like your insides

bye bye

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Ectoo

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The original challenge was mine JohnD.

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Ectoo

PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

I am sickened by your sad, obsessive, and totally negative views on a subject you have shown, time and time again, you know nothing about.
I owe a great deal to VDW and this forum, and am no longer prepared to see them maligned by your ignorance.
£500, to a charity of the winners choice, says that VDW will outperform anything you can produce; either your selections, or those of your idol.
The only stipulation I will make at this stage is that you will not get to know my selections, only the returns.
I can think of no more fitting epitaph for this forum than it should be buried on top of its most vitriolic and misinformed critic.

EITHER PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
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I rest my case, LIAR!!!!

quote:

The original challenge was mine JohnD...I think you are muddling up when you were posting as Lee and made me a challenge.

EC are you saying that Johnd was double posting as that much regarded clown - Lee ??

IMO he never lived up to his self advertised hype , and is a "False Favorite"

witness also his Biased challenge to JIB

tc

I don't know tbh TC..I just got fed up with the twat constantly haunting me with his shite over the years..so i just threw it in the mix...the way he drools over Lee it wouldn't surprise me though seeing as he only seems to have a good word for himself.

in reality..probably not...like said..don't give a monkeys really

i don't care who either of them are tbh..they are an irrelevance to me.....am sick to death of anus trying to drive me off the forum.

the more he does it though the longer I'll stay

dreadfully boring for anyone reading i'm sure