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Crystany looks good value to me @ 22.0, worth a fiver
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I agree with Johnd that Shifting Star looks best in the 3.55 Kempton, but the horse's low ability rating ranking is sufficient of a negative for me to leave him from the betting perspective.
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Well done with your vdw pick (DOM) the other day, EC!
 Surely, nobody would argue that this was not the true vdw pick, just because such an outstanding horse wasn't at a big price? Very strange folk about, imo. That's two placed and a winner for the latest three real vdw selections. Not too bad, imo. I'm afraid I could see no proper vdw selection today. Btw, it looks as though a certain booklet seller has been on the hotline to try to close the free forum. Could it be that true debate and comment doesn't help promote booklet sales? |
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ECTOO
Thank you for the advice and for taking the time to give it . When you talk about factors are you talking about the usual,type of ground, distance, speed figures, form figures, up or down in prize etc there are so many different variations. In your opinion is there a main group of factors to concerntrate on. if i had a srike rate like yours and getting around even money for each bet i would die very happy. |
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I would look at as many factors as possible Paul....list every factor for each race and note which horse you think will do best under each category
When you have analysed a fair few races you can easily see which factors are pointing to most winners...which factors are not really helping you. You can devise a number rating for each factor if you wanted..there are so many ways to look at a race. On top of that there is also your decision process that will be based on experience..you will feel if a selection is right...sometimes you feel a horse just won't win...even if your calcs tell you otherwise..instinct comes into this basically. Some selections give you that "right" feel..others nag at you and your confidence just is not as strong...this is down to the invidual...it could be this "instinct" is the "missing link" even  Consistency - isn't just form figure counting...sometimes it is impossible for a horse to perform to it's best...if you can see why a horse has not been able to place and you can remove that run you can see a clearer picture of the horse's performance. Whichever way you do this...it's hard work keeping up to date with the horses that are running now...if you think about it...the top horses running now...just in your head you know a lot about New Approach...DOM...and others...just by looking at them regularly...if you had teh ability to be as familiar with every group horse running..straight away you can weigh a race up just in your head. Knowing your horse is big part of putting the puzzle together...if you analyse a race and all you have is words on a screen...it's harder to build up a mental picture of how that horse will perform....whereas if you have seen that horse run regularly you know it's foibles. Some will tell you it's a numbers game..It's a lot more really. |
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well said ectoo
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ECTOO
Thanks again for your time.you write very clearly with no hidden meanings, unlike some on this thread. I look forward to your future analysis of the better class races as i feel you have somthing to offer this thread. |
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All this wisdom on the back of a 4/6 winner, (Not to mention the unplaced 7/4 shot he also selected) and suddenly he's giving advice to the masses. Ffs, smell the coffee. The man is a perennial loser. Always has been, always will be.  |
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"I believe no useful purpose is served by readers subjecting other contributors to abuse, in fact it ultimately results in depriving interested parties from receiving ideas. Racing is unique in that there are so many ways of approaching the complexities involved and Forum is, and will be, only as good as you, the readers make it". C. Van der Wheil, Market Harborough |
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BC
You don't think he's abusing this forum with his ridiculous and totally unsubstantiated claims then? |
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having never followed beaten favorites before i see a horse who is a beaten fav last three races ,what am i to make of this hansome falcon at ayr tomorrow ,one to avoid or they must get it right sometime,it is fahey so he knows the score any thoughts fellow vdwers,and yes i am picking your brains i dont know what to make of this
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"I believe no useful purpose is served by readers subjecting other contributors to abuse, in fact it ultimately results in depriving interested parties from receiving ideas. Racing is unique in that there are so many ways of approaching the complexities involved and Forum is, and will be, only as good as you, the readers make it". C. Van der Wheil, Market Harborough |
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Les
Wouldn't put you off him at all. Looks like he needs a mile nowadays, and with his capable young jockey reducing his weight to 15lbs less than he carried lto, against not much better opposition, there'd be worse bets on a quiet Wednesday. Looks an e.w. bet to nothing if he's anywhere near the SL predicted 5/1, imo. |
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For those who don't know the score, EC was one of the most successful posters of bets on at least one forum. One afternoon, he went right though the card at a meeting, with the winner of each race correctly predicted , way BEFORE the race.
Despite what their mythical leader has said about not abusing other members, certain booklet sellers will stop at nothing to try quash the truth. Very sad, really, as others, who understand some of the vdw methodology, have been very helpful on this forum, imo. |
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I would like to put a question to johnd ,it is the same question that i put to bubbles / pro/ investor on Fulham's web site quite some time ago now.Unfortunately bubbles or who ever he was could not answer the question, so here goes.
Johnd why do'nt you stop pratting around arguing with various members over what is and what is'nt , and start putting up some winners before they have run and put you reputation on the line if you think you have one. Come on johnd redeem yourself , prove me and others wrong and that you are not just a booklet seller and that you really do no what you are talking about. i wait in anticipation |
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Some have been on this forum quite a while, stayed loyal through the thin times, and often helped other members - even those with short memories, such as you. Others like to visit occasionally, spread their poison, and disappear. Paul Do you ever actually read any of the posts on here? |
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I'm afraid the theme of several recent posts is lost on me, and I'd be grateful for enlightenment - the theme being booklets.
Some weeks ago I purchased about ten booklets - one by Van der Wheil himself ("Systematic Betting"), the rest edited by Tony Peach who was apparently the letters editor of the Sporting Chronicle Handicap Book when Van der Wheil first appeared on the scene. I bought most from an internet bookseller based in Manchester, Browzers, who offers a wide range of racing books not just the Van der Wheil material. With one exception ("The Silver Lining"), the booklets were very cheap individually and several in my view extremely good value. Presumably these booklets have nothing to do directly with this forum or any of the members. Are they the booklets that are being referred to in recent posts, or are there others, perhaps by Johnd? And why is anyone concerned about them as, apparently, a motive for posting here? |
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buy your tootsie fruitsie,buy your tootsie fruitsie, a day at the races the marx brothers lol
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GJ
Fear not, the forum is always like this when Ectoo visits us. Fortunately, he usually goes away with his tail between his legs, which gives us chance to forget him. As far as I am aware, no one (past or present) on this forum has anything to do with producing or selling booklets, just another of Ectoo's barmy notions. |
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Ectoo
You are a very smart chap and I hope you carry on posting.Johnd you make some very interesting posts and then ruin them by having a go at other posters. Why? |
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