johnd
if thats the best you can offer, oh hum

hi everone, anyone assessed the 2-45 sanbuch,

Paul

In my view King's Apostle should be treated like Van der Wheil's Gaye Chance example, ie the race where he was outclassed, the 935, excused. Counting back to the 4th last race we then have 5/3/2 = 10, rather than 3/0/2 = 15, and 10 makes him the horse with the second lowest consistency score among the first five in the forecast, ie one of the consistent horses.

King's Apostle is also a probable with form, though whether he can beat Winker Watson is for me doubtful. I'm not backing either (or, of course, anything else in the race).

Well done wi Tungsten les.

Av gone wi New Approach at 5/2 - 3 yr olds dinnae have a good record in the race but if he`s as good as they think he should have a chance of beating the odds - on fav.

O`Brien again - will this horse ever get beat?.

quote:

Originally posted by ectoo:
just to add

DUKE OF MARMALDE is a 10 star NAP...VDW selection for me today...using VDW in MY way

no excuses...no aftertiming...no bullshit

Unlike Lee....I put selections up before races

well done with RP Black Cat

Well done to those of you who were on the fav double Ravens & the Duke - no danger as it turned out.

Thanks WP & EC, and well done with the Duke.

Mine didn't take a lot of finding!! Won a nice few quid though.

Ectoo

I came across the following when reading Lee's posts on the older VDW posts, where you and he had an exchange. After giving details of various selections he had posted before the races concerned, you responded:

ectoo
Member
Posted May 20, 2005 11:35 AM Hide Post
If you post winners before the race Lee you won't ever get that sort of comment from me I can assure you. they seem fair enough to me.

Although, I would have to question JohnD's "impressed" threshold..if he is drooling over those he must have orgasm's when he sees someone like LAZY EXCUSE hammering 25/1 winners out.

All i would like to see is people putting up selections, saying they are VDW selections. I would also like to know that people like Sean are being helped..by email if people don't want to put stuff on the board.

I apologise if I have jumped the gun but I tend to judge people on results, not other people's fawning adorations based on what is actually a small amount of actual selections."


I can't find any posts by Lazy Excuse through the Advanced Search facility. Is that username right, and is he still "hammering 25/1 winners out"?

Think that boy might be on another board George.

Lazy Excuse did not post on here George

He used to post on BestOfTheBets board and a couple of others, he wasn't a VDW person.

He was a legend wherever he posted, possibly one of the best winner finders I have come across in my life.

not seen any posts from him for a long time now though

I am sure more than me has heard of him

Walter/Ectoo

Thanks.

George
i AM NOT SURE THAT RUNNING IN A HIGH CLASS RACE IS REALLY AN EXCUSE FOR NOT GETTING A GOOD FORM FIGURE SO THAT IT CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR THE CONSISTENT 5, THERE MUST BE MORE TO IT THAN THAT.

Are you sure your not sure Paul?.

Paul

I'm only going from what Van der Wheil wrote about Gaye Chance. He had won several races at a relatively low class level before being bumped right up into a race of high class where realistically he had no chance. Had Van der Wheil been appraising him for another high class race, I am sure the duck egg would have counted, but when dropped down to a realistic level, that duck egg meant a lot less.

Today with King's Apostle we had a horse clearly capable of competing at around class 620, but seemingly out of his depth when pushed up to a 930. But today he was dropped back to 250, and it seems to me logical to leave to one side his failure at 930.

From what I can see, Van der Wheil did not often "do a Gaye Chance", but there are one or two others, and I think you may run into a (from your point of view) unexpected winner or two if you write the contemporary Gaye Chances off at the very first stage.

WALTER
Im not sure

Whi no pal?.

George

you are quite correct not to dismiss this type of horse easily. How ever the 5 most consistent without altering the figures is a very reliable guide in my experience.Unless we no defintly that any 1 form
figure could be wrong i think its best to leave well alone and go along the more tried and tested route of the origonal 5 most consistent.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF ANYBODY HAS ANY STATISITCS ON THE 5 MOST CONSISTENT

John Paul Young - Love Is In The Air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNC0kIzM1Fo