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well done auld borderlescott so often the bridesmaid now the bride well done
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New Guinea`s stablemate.
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No long in les great result for Borderlescot team right enough.
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barging,s done young mick for a place
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For the little it's worth, i made the two vdw selections today to be
Bonny Charlie (2nd) and Kingsgate Native (3rd). Even at Tote place prices, a reasonable profit would have been made. On the other hand, today's results show how far off the booklet sellers can be, whereas folk who know the score about the way racing works will not be the least bit surprised by, say, the likes of Hannon's good winner. I explained the carry on previously. The explanation was, of course, dismissed by johnd, who prefers to keep dishing out the same old mythical shite in an attempt to keep the make-believe fairytales alive.  Racing is as straight as a corkscrew; any who haven't copped on yet are just deluding themselves, I'm afraid. |
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Les
I thought it was jockey error myself, with a clearer run would have been at least 2nd. On that form, you'd have to think Mad Rush would have gone very close, had York not been abandoned. Victor Meldrew Ffs, grow up! |
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well done Sean...nice to see someone else has cottoned on to JD.
JD you seem a very angry type..someone once said that winners don't get angry...only losers...I hope this does not apply to you  It certainly is nice to read this thread without actually taking part in it..it saves getting insulted by grand VDW master John...who now seems to be using Sean as a kicking dog these days.  When are you bringing Lee out to play again John?..I like his postings  Hope you are both ok Mtoto & Andy Capper..and Sean of course..  all the best to all of you anyway  |
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Ravens Pass should go close tomorrow
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Ectoo
Is he your twin brother? Same negative attitude, constant slagging, sees nothing of value in VDW, yet can't keep away from the forum. Definitely a similarity! |
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yes John, Sean does post like me...but only when he responds to you
 I've read Sean's post on other forums..he always comes across as polite, unassuming and gracious...nothing like me in fact I can only conclude you bring out the worst in people I think if you drop the obvious dislike you have for him you might see a different attitude in return. Why should he keep away from the forum?...just because you have tried to drive him away...as you did with me. I'd have a look back at your past postings if I were you...you might realise why a good poster like Sean reacts in such a way. In fact..if one or two here told you what they really thought about your interraction with SOME posters it might open your eyes. |
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just to add
DUKE OF MARMALDE is a 10 star NAP...VDW selection for me today...using VDW in MY way no excuses...no aftertiming...no bullshit Unlike Lee....I put selections up before races |
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Nice to hear from you again, EC!
Perhaps there is something in telepathy after all, as I was wondering how you're doing as I travelled back from a wasted trip to York on Tuesday. Like JIB, Mtoto, Pipedreamer,Boozer, you are one of the originals from the old days of Gummy. Like me you've heard all the shite before and know that none of the excuses work. I can't remember where this dopey cnt, john dolt, materialised from. As I said before, I can only think that he's the mythical creation of, say, Gummy, who wants to enliven an otherwise dead messageboard. Well, why not? If grown men can still be argueing about a mythical invention called vdw, years after the original ads for the fkn booklets, then surely, such a thing is equally valid? You are one of the old school, EC, and thank fk for that! There aren't many of us left!  The world seems to have been taken over by tossers and pillocks who all want to be in garry shitter's gang. They all seem to have gone to the same counsellor and social worker, and are easily spotted by being the first to accuse ordinary folk of negativity, just because we don't submit to their doltish views. Basically, it's time for a reality check. The UK has 1.4 trillion sterling of credit card debt. This is the result largely of folk being duped by cnts who sell their own brand of useless, misleading, fkn booklets. I won't say " wake up and smell the coffee" because that's an expression that I hate, but, what I will say is " get the parasitic booklet peddlers off the back of racing!" Racing has enough problems of its own without these con merchants adding to punters' woe. |
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booklet selling seems a priority of many postings to this VDW thread Sean...that is why VDW MUST appear to be so mysterious..YOU HAVE TO BUY THE BOOKLETS...or you have no chance of being a guru...which is nonsense of course. A few here are always saying...you don't understand it yet..read the examples/booklets...then you will be a genius/guru like me...patronising comments of the highest order imo.
Common sense costs nothing..using logical thought about races in real time...then checking back after the race to see what was significant and what wasn't is a far superior way of approaching racing than checking back on aftertimed races where you have not got a pre race analysis. Post race only analysis misses that key ingredient...the pre race conclusion...that is the MAJOR flaw in looking at race from 30 years ago. If you write a full analysis...say of todays Juddmonte...then look again after the race...you would learn far more than studying some dog eared leaflets written by a mythical figure. I have no problem with VDW methodology...just some of the ego freaks that build themselves up as some kind of expert on some booklets that only contain aftertimed information. I have every respect for people who have started off using the ideas and then moved on using their own efforts...I have no respect for people that don't actually bet..but just use VDW as some kind of religion/self promotion vehicle that is completely unrelated to actually betting on horses. PEACE OFFERING in the 3.20 at Beverley is another one today that looks good to me...not as strong as DOM...but I'll be playing I think. |
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Ectoo Another "polite, unassuming and gracious" Post? Some judge you are.  Actually just another example of the tripe those that see some value in VDW have to put up with from those who can't.Sean is the same as you in that he thinks he knows a bit about racing, but cannot recognise what is a fairly simple concept and therefore has to diss it for the sake of his own ego. Think on that, and you both might learn something.
Strange that, because it's what I've been saying for years. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Agree about DoM, but wouldn't be too sure about Peace Offering, Fullandby should give him a race. If you want a bet at a a decent price try King's Apostle, 3.05N, though the 7's has long gone. |
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but he was talking about you John ..so it wasn't going to be polite was it?
we agree that pre race is very important...so would not it be a really good idea to have posts about races beforehand?...something I tried to do ages ago..started a separate thread if i remember correctly I don't think I know a bit about racing John...I know I know a bit...the problem with you is that you seem to want to "outscore" someone like me to make yersen look good...and to be honest..I don't understand why I have nowt to prove..I've been posting for 8 years on different boards..under the same monikor..folk know me a little from many different boards. They know that like many I have good and bad periods..but I always try to invoke sensible reasoned discussion. what I have never done is trade on aftertiming and arse licking of people that appear to me to be trumpet blowers of the worse type...after event backslapping after not having the backbone to post clear selections before races. I am sure if some effort was put into pre race discussion it would be beneficial..preferable, anyway to worshipping at the ground of folk like Lee who seems to have been the subject of some major hype on here...but seem to lack the ability to put any pre race comments up..preferring to massage the extremely large ego afterwards with comments in this vein ..it wasn't really a VDW selection, you would know that if you knew the extremely large amount of knowledge I have re VDW, that much knowledge me head is going to explode as me brain is now too big for me head ...blah blah blah ...similar self promoting know it all bollocks ...blah blah blah yawn yawn yawn so.if we are on about ego's..i must take a back seat...you and Lee are the experts...well so you keep telling us anyway...no time for posting anymore on here for a while..you will be glad to know good luck with your bets |
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Is Kings Apostal really consistent
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ECTOO
Thats a shame you will not be around , as i feel this thead does need to be livened up and you recent post seemed to do just that . I presume that you would have been very open on how you make your selection's unlike johnd who just hide's behind a brick wall all the time. |
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Paul
Spoken like someone desperate for all the help he can get.  King's Apostle is highly consistent - there's more to consistency than just a row of sticks by his name. |
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Welcome back Ectoo.
My Saturday dabble is going to be very, very obvious and very, very short-priced this week. 315 Goodwood - Ravens Pass Prediction is hard. Especially the future. |
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Ectoo,
Glad to see you are still around, and reasonably happy with life. I won't rise to your statements, but will say I still think there is a lot to learnt from the old examples. I do agree about post race discussion, but fear it is never going to happen on boards like this. When I talk about post race I'm not looking for so and so will win, I would like to see some reasons given. Also if it is a VDW type selection reasons given if the selection doesn't confirm to the "guide lines" VDW suggested. Sean, I can't agree with you about racing being as twisted as a corkscrew. I do agree the strokes are pulled in the lower class races, but the answer is keep away from them. I have no inside information, but find in the main horses do perform as excepted in the better class races, if they didn't I would be seriously struggling. As far as I can see only two races were discussed from a VDW point of view yesterday. One on here, and the other on another forum. They resulted in a winner at evens, and reasons why a favourite in the other should be given a miss. In the other race it was shown how a profit could be obtained without the need to find the winner. I think that does enough to be able to disagree about VDW failing yesterday. Be Lucky |
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