i,ve always had bother with this type of horse have lumped on in the past won a few but mostly got my fingers burned it stinks does,nt it or it would not be 7/1 wattie

EPSOM
07 June 2008
Good

My Result Result

3:15 totesport.com "Dash" (Heritage Handicap) (Class 2) (3yo+) 5f

[off 3:15] £31,155.00, £9,330.00, £4,665.00, £2,335.00, £1,165.00, £585.00

Draw TRAINER Age Wgt JOCKEY SP OR TS RPR

1 Holbeck Ghyll (IRE) 8 A M Balding 6 8-7 William Buick 15/2 85 99 99
2 ½ Merlin´s Dancer 19 S Dow 8 8-5 John Egan 12/1 83 95 96
3 ½ Safari Mischief 12 P Winkworth 5 8-5 Luke Morris(3) 17/2 86 97 97
4 ½ Hogmaneigh (IRE) 17 S C Williams 5 9-8 Saleem Golam 9/2F 100 109 109
5 nk Masta Plasta (IRE) 6 D Nicholls 5 9-1 4 Adele Rothery(7) 7/1 100 108 108+
6 nk Fathom Five 20 B Smart 4 9-5 Paul Mulrennan 8/1 97 104 104
7 nk Strike Up The Band 7 D Nicholls 5 8-13 Silvestre De Sousa 18/1 91 97 97
8 ½ Bond City (IRE) 9 G R Oldroyd 6 9-0 Alan Munro 20/1 92 96 96
9 ¾ Northern Empire (IRE) 10 K A Ryan 5 9-2 N Callan 20/1 94 96 95
10 1½ Tournedos (IRE) 4 D Nicholls 6 9-4 4 Adrian T Nicholls 12/1 96 93 92
11 nk Hereford Boy 5 D K Ivory 4 8-1 1 Kirsty Milczarek(3) 40/1 82 78 77
12 nk Steelcut 13 R A Fahey 4 7-7 4 David Probert(7) 33/1 78 73 72
13 ½ Magic Glade 16 Peter Grayson 9 8-2 Patrick Mathers 40/1 80 73 72
14 ¾ Canadian Danehill (IRE) 18 R M H Cowell 6 9-3 p L Dettori 16/1 95 85 84
15 nk Morinqua (IRE) 1 J G Given 4 9-3 T P Queally 16/1 95 84 83
16 ½ Evens And Odds (IRE) 15 K A Ryan 4 9-5 b Neil Brown(5) 11/1 102 89 88
17 ¾ Ocean Blaze 3 B R Millman 4 8-2 Adrian McCarthy 25/1 80 65 64
18 nk Bigalos Bandit 11 D Nicholls 6 8-4 Simon Whitworth 50/1 82 66 65
19 1¼ Diane´s Choice 14 Miss Gay Kelleway 5 8-4 T P O´Shea 50/1 82 61 60


19 ran TIME 55.33s (fast by 0.07s) TOTAL SP 129%


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Here`s another piece of palatable form for Bond City in the context of todays race finishing behind Strike Up The Band and 6 lbs lower in ratings today.Only one fun bet bet for me today so far place bet on Dandy Man at 1.70 & 1.68 if i get anything back i might have a wee win and place on Bond City but that`s all it would be in this race.

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Originally posted by les henderson:
but still rated above these today,is the lto form totally worthless?

Les

The lto form is very good form, but it was achieved in very different circumstances, something you must consider seriously if you are at all interested in progressing with VDW.
For what it's worth, and to demonstrate that VDW is far from the numbers game that some seem to think, I think the horse will struggle to keep up today, and is unlikely to make the first 4.

is this to do with course type from hardish to easy john should i be reading my always back winners again

unliklely to make first 4 a bold statement john good like that, but dont think so myself

Les Bond City is no a type for your notebook as he is hard to read and has disappointed before but when playing for fun its worth risking that he will bounce back to small stakes at (20/1).I`ll have a wee bet on him if i get anything back from the place bet on Dandy Man but it would only be for the sake of a wee bet after puttin some time in on the race.If you had`nt mentioned the race last night id have filled it under cannae be bothered too difficult.Here`s what Spotlight says aboot him id say this is a fair assessment so far - Run really well virtually all starts for this rider and goes well downhill but an uninspiring year so far, cheekpieces refitted last twice; revival possible with Frankie up for first time in over a year plus first-time blinkers.

Boozer

Because it would not be taking account of thc circumstances.

The first race discussion (item 8 of "The Golden Years") is surely pertinent. Do you suppose Van der Wheil would have been as positive about Prominent King if, beaten five lengths, he'd been getting 17lb from Drumgora rather than giving it?

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Originally posted by les henderson:
is this to do with course type from hardish to easy john should i be reading my always back winners again

Les

Yes - and it wouldn't do any harm.

Johnd

Presumably you see the numbers as supportive of Toms Laughter today? As regards consistency and probables I'm afraid I don't.

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Originally posted by George Johns:
Johnd

Presumably you see the numbers as supportive of Toms Laughter today? As regards consistency and probables I'm afraid I don't.

Do I sound supportive?

Johnd

"For what it's worth, and to demonstrate that VDW is far from the numbers game that some seem to think, I think the horse will struggle to keep up today, and is unlikely to make the first 4."

I read the above to mean that while the numbers might seem favourable, other (and in your view more important) considerations led you to your down-the-field conclusion.

Phew! thought ah wiz gonnae get run oot oh the place there wi Dandy Man .Did you no flag up Enticing last year at Goodwood JD?.

Well ahv hid ma wee bet on Bond City now at 20.00 & 4.20 win and place - nae laffin in the back rows now - please!.

well john thought about top weights on downhill tracks thats why i homed in on toms laughter?

Did he bet in sprints les?.

had a wee bit o success backing top weights in sprints a few years ago

Who yourself or Stewart Simpson?.

lol lol his was a look at british tracks that lent thereself to a bias for top weights epsom,goodwood,sandown,chester ect ect

Rab wis askin aboot this 4.40 at Goodwood last night les jist hid a quick look there and hiv had a wee win & place bet on Carleton oh Wullie Mussons at 29.0 & 5.20.

Anither race ah widna hav played in btw - you boys are a bad influence on me les.