Hi Jack
frustrating race i thought sublimity came to win the race at the last bend he was cruising, Osana ran a brilliant race out battled at the end by the younger horse after setting a nice pace, my horse Harchibald never at the races trainer said before race the ground was against it but it has won on softer. Katchit what can u say threw all the 5yo stats out the window a game & deserved winner i honestly hope it becomes one of the greats
all the best
Larry

Anybody who thinks weight is of great importance should look at the career of this "little horse", Katchit.

This game animal has always done best under weight. His only win on the flat was when carrying the highest weight he ever carried under that code (9-7).

Today he had 11-10 - the highest of his career. Now he has a 37% strike rate.

Sadly, I backed the 2nd, but my bet was mostly to Place, so OK.

Exeter 3.20 Mar 18
Stars
5 Keepthedreamalive, 3 of 5 -41L LTO, toiling mistake tailed off. Possibilities as conditions suit today. JR 125*
5 Cathedral Rock, 1 of 7 +46L antipenult race, left in lead drw away not fluent. Fell L2O so jumping needs to improve? JR 113
4 Theatre Diva, 2 of 5 -6L LTO, chased not fluent soon weakened? Mare versus geldings? Progressive but conditions may not suit? JR 120 WON 5/2
4 Marvellous Dream, Won 1 of 5 +6L LTO, mistake headed led ridden. Mare versus geldings? More to do here? JR 105
3 Ghenghis, fitness, off track 289 days? JR 114
1 Double Intruder, chasing debut? D? JR 79

*What is a JR? It is a Jack Rating! My considered opinion of the rating a horse should be in comparison to the OR

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Jack nice to see u back on this thread, i havent done any research but i would guess dutchig your top 3 would show a profit but now u throw in JR so which is better your JR or your top3 rated(didnt matter yesterday as theatre diva fitted both profiles)i always look forward to your post's so keep up the good work
all the best
Larry
apologies if i dont reply quickly i'm just off to work & dont know when i'l be back online

Market Rasen 4.30
Stars
4 Hold The Bid, Won 1 of 6 +16L LTO, effort ridden to lead driven clear. Some concern about stamina today? JR 101
4 Mage D'Estruval, 3 of 12 -4L LTO, chased outpaced stayed on. Capable of being thereabouts. JR 106
4 Super Lord, 4 of 5 -46L LTO, held up ridden weakened. Respected here. JR 122
3 One Sniff, JR ?
3 Four Aces, JR 118
3 Bellaney Jewel, JR 104
1 Mr Fluffy, JR 104

i,ll not post up like jack but have went through the 3.20 at wincanton IRIS DE BALME can win this won a 156 pushed out lto dropped
o 97 it does go up 12lbs but the big drop in class will compensatde did,nt settle it may have been an excuse went out like a light

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Les,

This is my take on the Wincanton 3.20
Stars
5 Iris De Balme, Won 1 of 9 +15L LTO, headway led clear pushed out. Needs to improve today. JR 96
4 Petite Margot, 2 of 5 -3.5L LTO, chased mistake ridden one pace. Mare versus geldings? Thereabouts. JR 114 WON 2/1
4 Special Conquest, Won 1 of 8 +1L LTO, made most rallied to lead kept on gamely. Fitness? JR 81
4 Maletton, 8 of 13 -33L anti-pen race, blunererd weakened. Struggling? JR 122
3 Ironside, 6 0f 9 -28L LTO, outjumped led ridden weakened. Weight? JR 104
3 I Hear Thunder, 4 of 8 -33L LTO, prominent ridden struggling. Best watched JR 110
2 Georges Boy, Won 1 of 7 +8L LTO, made all clear blundered driven ran on gamely. Weight? JR 96

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Irish Grand National

This is a G Hall 'key' race IMO and a difficult one too boot.

1*
2*
3*
4**
5***Cailin Alainn, proven stayer if not too soft
6*
7**
8**
9*
10****Preists Leap, on a reasonable handicap mark
11*
12*
13
14**
15 Non-runner
16***Ballycullen Boy, progressive novice for the shortlist
17**
18 Non-runner
19
20
21 (Hear The Echo WON 33/1)
22*
23
24
25 Non-runner
26

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gone through the 5 05 at newbury and william bonney has a good chance today with the ground going his way

Les,
I was wondering why you opted for that race when there is this one on the same card?

Newbury 2.55

This is definitely a G Hall key type race in my opinion and has such has to be worth assessing.
Stars
5 Back On Line, 3 of 20 -11.5L LTO mistake progress to lead headed outpaced. May be more to come today
4 Classic Fiddle, 1 of 9 +2L pen race, chased ridden driven out. Needs to bounce back, D?
3 Scarvagh Diamond, 2 of 10 -.25L LTO, chased led kept on headed. Progressive and worth considering.
3 Souri Des Champs, 1 of 5 led rallied forged clear. Needs to progress again, D?
3 Theatre Diva, 1 of 6 +2.25L LTO, headway led kept on well. Stamina is a slight concern?
3 Truckers Lady, 2 of 5 -1.25L pen race, led hit 13 kept on held. Needs to find something to be a player
2 Miss Mitch
1 La Grande Villez
1 Strawberry

My totally biased personal list of contenders in order of merit is - Back On Line 3rd 8/1, Classic Fiddle 2nd6/1, Strawberry WON 14/1, Classic Diamond

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congrats yet again jack as for taking the other race myself trying to bring in speedplus and split secound into my grid so have worked backwords found a horse thats top on speedplus and split secound and ok vdw wise

First 3 home cant be bad Jack.

Yes Indeed

Fielding 9 from 15 and producing 2 from 5, one discounts the rag? Certainly true VDW off 2.55pm post 3pm ~((I will let the previous stand as I have now noticed that the post time has changed from my initial view and I accordingly pass over my apologies for it is now true that you posted pre race not after and again I apologise).

Credit to you though as before you have been kind and this is not a personal slur and I do not mean it as such.

VDW is, as a particular poster would have you believe NOT I REPEAT NOT, what he alleged. Does this poster lurk elsewhere having found his master only to be aghast at the foil (failure of success when on the point of attainment - for IMP) before them?

In my honest opinion as follows:

The basic formula has (long on the go before Che Bo) and will be flaunted again and again.

The initial maths are extremely limited to say the least.

The first race VDW gave is full of mistakes, although many have tried to fathom out the numbers and stars given next to the said horses.

The second race given in detail also fails.

The third given in detail also fails immeasurably, but highlights a very old thought.

There are one or two old races that I have looked at that do fall into the I will tell you how it is article, and they fail consummately.

VDW allegedly could not further his position in life through his own writings, from this would one presume we fall the same way?

Yesterday tells me what happened yesterday, today tells me now but the future has a habit of copying itself does it not?

I admire Mr Jack's generosity on other threads and that is to be given good grace.

If knowledge is your requirement then we have a poster on board who has moved on and you would do well to listen to his abstract ramblings for in there are true nuggets to tend.

THANK YOU

VINCENT

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Certainly true VDW off 2.55pm post 3pm.

Vincent,

While Formath posted that analysis at 3:00pm, you will find he also posted it on a different forum (TRF) well before the of. I think he was just trying to point someone in the right direction, as they had looked at a different race at that meeting.

The first race VDW gave is full of mistakes, although many have tried to fathom out the numbers and stars given next to the said horses.

The second race given in detail also fails.

The third given in detail also fails immeasurably, but highlights a very old thought.

Would you care to explain the three statments copied above? Why are you so convinces the Erin is FULL of mistakes. Just because you can't make sense of the "stray" figures doesn't mean they are mistakes. There is a mistake in the difference in the weights PK was giving to Drumgora. Here I do find in interesting that Garston hinted that the mistake could be down to a mistake in a newspaper. So which other examples mentioned above fail?

If knowledge is your requirement then we have a poster on board who has moved on and you would do well to listen to his abstract ramblings for in there are true nuggets to tend.

Would you care to name the poster you think we can learn from that at least would be a help?

Be Lucky

JIB writes in an abstract way now and then Mtoto.

Vincent
Member
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quote:
formidable


Would the apple be ripe or past the sell at this stage?

Take heed to your mirror and check your distance!

THANK YOU

VINCENT
Posts: 29 | Registered: March 30, 2006

Mind you it could be Vincent himself?.

quote:

JIB writes in an abstract way now and then Mtoto.

Agreed, but I wouldn't have said he has moved on, as he is still posting. I also think if his posts are read carefully he has a lot to offer. However I would be very surprised if he is the poster being spoken about.

Be Lucky

Vincents posts are open to too much interpretation to be able to reply to in a confident manner.

I think any poster who takes the effort to put his ideas down in detail is worthy of praise as it is obvious that he wants his fellow members to understand something.

That does not necessarily mean that the comprehension will be universal as there are concepts in vdw (eg class and form) that are not easy to grasp.

The complexity of these concepts is such that members can hold opposing ideas about them without moving out of the general arena. It is hard to understand something you don't believe in.

In my own case I chunter on about the OR, a fundamental change in horseracing since VDWs first correspondence. To my mind if enough thought is given to the OR it can let you into vdwology by the backdoor. But that again is only my opinion.

Some very complex stuff that's too hard my for my wee brain, so I regret to say that I'm none the wiser.

What Vincent's post and vdw threads have in common is the punchline is always yet another question, hence, the mystery continues.

Tune in tomorrow, folks, to learn who is the mysterious poster who has moved on!

Is there a smiley face for the Dick Barton music?

Mtoto

Having studied Vincents last post for an Hour

It would appear the mystery poster he is refering to is Jack