thanks three legs i will try waterstones with my best smile
regards flo

MAX i see your message on the vdw i think i know how you got your top 3 horses but how did you rate all the horses using the vdw system you say its not hard to figure it out could you let on or is this privalaged info after all everything learned is better than not learning
regards florence

was

Further to Max`s post vis-a-vis your copying and pasting from this board onto other boards, I have a couple of observations which may interest you.

1) I don`t remember reading on this board anything pasted from another board. This tells it`s own story. This isn`t a forum which would entertain such a bankrupt Modus Operandi. This forum thrives on orginal thought, intelligent communication and bright idea`s from bright people. Not dimwits who struggle to string a couple of coherent sentences together then give up in favour of simply copying the work of others.

2) If, as you obviously have, mastered the complexities (to my mind) of a modern day computer, then surely it`s not beyond the wit of man to expect a little more effort than that of a plagiarist. The number of your postings since your registration don`t suggest a real commitment to the life and success of this board. I wonder if you are held in any higher esteem on others.

3) In short and without Gummy`s contribution as of yet I would be surprised if other board members views differ wildly from my own; COPYING AND PASTING STINKS !

Finally, and I mean this sincerely, whatever success you achieve in life no matter how modest, it will always be that much sweeter if it results from the sweat of your own brow.

I wish you well

111
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[This message was edited by three legs on March 19, 2002 at 02:09 PM.]

111,

I'm not quite sure what 'was' means when he say's he has copied and pasted, this doesn't mean he as actually pasted to another board.
I've copied and pasted some of Max's posts but not to other boards (i would'nt dream of it) but to my word processor, so as i can pick them up any time i've got a few spare moments and digest his ideas alittle more without having to go on the net. I've got a feeling this is what 'was' as done. So in his defence i'll give him the benefit of any doubt. By the way i dont know 'WAS' from adam.

Cheer's Kis

ps, reference stealing idea's, in my book it also stink's.

Thanks for that KiS

Surely nobody would make a post such as that of "was" if all they had done was to extract some info and keep it to themselves.

I don`t know how to paste but I`ve printed tons worth of posts from the board.

I had assumed that "was`s" was an intelligent question.

Perhaps it`s more fool me.

111
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I agree with Kis entirely, nowhere has ˜was' stated that he's copied any information on to another board. Yes he has said that he's copied it, but perhaps this is for his own personal use?

"This forum thrives on orginal thought, intelligent communication and bright idea`s from bright people."

This quote reminds me of yours and others recent posts, Three Legs, on the VDW thread, which was obviously your way of showing real commitment to the life and success of this board.

By the way, I copied and pasted the above quote; it's quite simple and saves time.

KiS

You`re such a decent chap, always ready with the benefit of the doubt.

Mrs 111 says I`m a type one person, apparently type two are the best ones.

When I was alive and my superiors wrote about me, the phrase "Doesn`t suffer fools gladly" was always used.

I never figured it out until years later that this is a euphemism for "Bad tempered old bugger"

Oh well, some things never change.

GRRRRRRR

111
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Thanks for your contribution LEE

I`ll take your post on this thread as an invitation to post up again on the VDW thread.

I had cleared off as I said I would, but I shall exercise my right of reply. Just in case the Cult leader doesn`t read these threads, perhaps you would let him know I`ll be poping over for a chat a little later courtesy of your good self.

111
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Said in a pleading voice "Oh no Three Legs, please don't do that".

I'm sure they'll look forward to some more of your intelligent communication, as you put it.

max/three legs
It would seem you have misunderstood my meaning or intentions maybe my fault, but alas im not a member of any other board, my cutting/pasting was done on Max,s posting as he did say to understand his previous posts so as not to repeat info. this is why i cut/paste so i can print and read off line.I may not be the sharpest knife in the draw three legs, but thanks for the encouragement.
was

Ok was

fair enough, no damage done.

Are you sure now three legs? Sounds like it's caused you to have a nervous breakdown if what you wrote on the vdw thread's anything to go by.

no problem mate
max

Hi MAX,

Hope you enjoyed your meal.
When can we expect the next lesson?

Cheer's Kis

with the flat season nearly upon us its time to start playing for pounds.
WHAT TYPE OF RACE?
handicaps,claimers,sellers,conditions,listed,group,2yo,3yo,3yo+ or 4yo+ there are plenty to choose from but what should you avoid?none consider all there is a winner to be found whatever the circumstance and each race type has its good and bad points but on the whole i play in all of them.
many racing fans tell you to concentrate in the higher class races where form is more consistant but allthough that may be true the competition is also ivariably stronger.seeing as though class/form is of secondary importance on for the purpose of my selection process i look for a winner in a race where at first glance it is not obvious.
throughout this thread i will be refering to the filter i devised and if you are not by now familiar with it i direct you to "prw system filter" thread.
each race be it a maiden or h/c requires the winner to fit a certain profile this also extends to the race courses where to find the winner of a particular race requires the horse to conform with certain past criteria.a list of the courses with notes can be found at the end of this post,refer to these when considering your selections they are not unfounded opinion or speculation but a good basic foundation to begin your winner finding.
you can go down two roads when betting for a living either bet selectively and restrict your gambling to 1/2 bets per week a favoured method of vdw followers,this is ok if you can keep up a very high s/r and afford to bet large ammounts to give you a realistic return to live on,or if like myself you rely on what you win to pay the bills then up your turnover and bet more often.i sometimes have up to 5 bets a day in order to reach my 7.5% weekly target,i prefer no pressure and make around 80% on each succesful bet.it may seem a long winded exercise to make £160 on a race but i only need one a day to hit the target.i should have mentioned earlier that all but a very few selections will involve dutching and so i do not confuse myself i will be working to £200 per point.

STEP 1
go through the card starting at the first race and apply filter to every runner as follows
TRAINER class/course/dist/race type/jockey/
now do exactly the same for the JOCKEY.
e.g
i.balding class 15%(for particular class)
course12%(for age at course)
dist 19%(at race dist)
r.type21%(for say h/c)
jockey12%(riding for stable)

if all of above qualify through the 10% cut off rule then move on to the jockey.
by applying this for every runner in the race you will narrow the field down to about 20%.you now have in your possesion the winner of the race and likely dangers to it.
follow on from this by checking trainer form.the trainer should have won or been placed in the last 14 days but take an overall look at their form and really use common sense.do not discount a trainer simply because they have not ran a horse in the last 14 days but do discount them whoever they are if for example they have had 5+ unplaced from all their runners.

step 2 later.
max.

Hi MAX,

Reference your last post, i've had a quick look over it but will copy and paste it into a different folder later so as i can study it more, but i've got 1 quick question with regards the trainer over the last 14 days, you say if he had 5+ runners unplaced discount them, so by that i presume if we were talking about M PIPE and lets say for example he has had 20 runners over the last 14 days and for arguments sake won 14 and been unplaced in 6, we would discount him?
Also do we do the same regards the jockey and the 14 day rule?
Can you let me know if thats how we should understand it?

Cheer's Kis

[This message was edited by kis on March 20, 2002 at 12:02 AM.]

Hi Max...Brilliant Post as usual ....Thanks for posting.

Hi Kis .....I know what your saying ......my view is as Max says you have to use common sense....you wouldnt be able to discount AP....I dont even bother checking his stats anymore....but if it was a jocky who normaly has good stats for race type etc I think its where judgement comes in .....probably where I go wrong.....lol
Good Luck Guys...
Regards......

BRICK

BRICK,

Sorry mate edited my post as you were posting, so it makes yours look alittle wayward.

Kis

lol....no prob mate.....off to bed catch you tomorrow.
Regards......

BRICK

just want to do this in segments because i have in the past lost whole pages of posts.

STEP 2
ok lets get on with evaluating your potential selections chances compared with the rest of the field.i have given this some thought and to be honest this is where i am finding it difficult because experience dictates this and is hard to explain but a very easy and reliable way is borrowed from the vdw school of thought and allthough this like any other has its flaws on the whole the basis at least is sound.
the logic behind this at tells you whether or not your hopefuls are outclassed or competing at a level where they have at least as good a chance as the rest of the field.
the down side though is that you may be overlooking a potential winner that usually will go in at a very good price if its recent form is not up to scratch.do not dismis out of hand these horses that recent form is not as good as say last season or even the season before,there may be a perfectly legitimate explanation as to why it has not been performing for example wrong trip,wrong ground or it could be coming back from a break or even injury,having said that though dont waste your time and money making excuses for a horse that has had numerous chances in the hope that today will bring a change of fortune.in short give every runner the benefit of the doubt and treat them all as potential winners.
again time to read between the lines and judge on all known form and not just recent efforts.
to evaluate the form list each runner and starting with the first write down its last runs monetry value divided by 100 (so if it ran in £5000 race then the points value would be 50)do this for its last 3 runs and total up.you also need to note its last 3 weights carried and the class of race it competed in.
e.g £5000 d h/c
fingers crossed 50 40 45 dde 9.9/9.6/9.5/
you can see the horse fingers crossed ran in a 5k,4k and a 4.5k race last 3-then it ran in a d class,d class and e class.finally the weight carried.
when you have laid out every runner this way you need to have a running total for each horse,in this case at the moment it would be 135.
next note the number of runners lets say 8 for example this figure we wil use to either subtract or add points depending on prevoius class runs and weight carried(this will of course be different depending on the number of runners)
starting with the first figure 50 (the 5k race)we compare it with the prize money on offer in todays race which is 5k it happens to be of the same value so no more point(8)are added or subtracted.the next race 4k is of less value than todays so we subtract 8 points off the running total,and also the third race is of less value so the horse loses another 8 points.
just remember if todays race is of greater value then the horse loses 8 points and if todays race is of lesser value then 8 points are added.
exactly the same principle is applied to the class if down in class add 8 points if up in class lose 8 points.finally look at the weight if up in weight (evaluate all last 3 weights and add or subtract for each one)lose 8 points and down in weight add 8 points.
when you have done this for each runner in the field it will give you an extremely accurate insight into your filtered qualifiers chances.if you are happy with your comparisons then move on to the next step.

STEP 3 really simple discount any who do not make the 80/20 list.

STEP 4 do any of the selections either contradict or support the course profile list(to follow)if ok proceed.what about the draw?(see list)

STEP 5 you should now have 2/3 selections that can be dutched to give you a s/r in the 90s(see staking plan)

obviously if you deceide to evaluate the form based on your own opinion then selections will differ from person to person but with the filter behind you then you can be sure that the next winner is just around the corner.

i will continue in the next few days and put up some of my actual bets with staking so you can see how targets are reached.

ANY QUESTIONS?

max.