Max
How does this qualify when Channon fails class filter
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winner in a race-you will see we have covered this before

This is by no means a crticism to Max or his Filters......I will still use them or part of them because I know long term I will do better using them.
But today my sole Major bet would have been Little Flora 3.30 Hex...for lots of reasons that I normaly like, dropped slightly in class distance etc ground suiting decent recent runs etc etc....as most of you know I only have about 70 or so decent bets per year and this was going to be one till I filtered it....needles to say I decided not to back it and save my money ....of course what does it do .....yep wins at 3/1....did I even have an interest.....of course not.
I know that Max is right and I know that I will miss winners I know I shall miss a lot more losers and I know long term I shall have more proffit.....but its a bitter pill to swallow sometimes.
Winge winge winge.......
Regards......

Ps winge winge

BRICK

that'll teach me 3/4 on yankee and what let me down?

i do not know why i am posting this because i agree with everything you last said but whatever method you use when selecting if you follow a set pattern in winner finding there will be times when winners pass you by and you were not on,temprement is a word i often see used on the vdw thread where many winners go in and are not backed for one reason or another the only way to avoid this is to bet blind that is to say if your gut feeling says back it then do just that.there is a lot to be said for gut feeling in all aspects of life gambling included and at times like that maybe you should forget about all the technical stuff and go with your instinct.you have heard me bang on enough about "experience"when selecting,maybe i am confusing this with instinct.
you dont want to hear it now but forget about todays winner there will be others,its a horrible feeling but you have to detach yourself from past triumphs and defeats and look ahead.
all the best
max

p.s hark at me i sound like an agony aunt.....come and tell uncle max all about it.

I think this is a good point. We are reading racing results every day, a lot of the fine detail of which will only be kept in the subconcious. When there's a horse that on paper looks very good but we feel an inexplicable reluctance to back it, there's probably a good reason that conciously we've forgotten. My experience is that in such cases it's best to trust the feeling not the form.

Cheers Max.....Takes a lot of getting over but Im almost there (Red wine almost empty now...lol)...Ive always thought that instinct is part of the missing link those on that thread are searching for like the Holy Grail ....Dont get it very often though but Dr Devious always sticks in my mind backed it at all prices!
Never mind Mondays a new day......
Good Luck
Regards.......

BRICK

Uncle Max or should that be Clayre Rainer.I think you have laid your finger on why there has been a couple of dissenting voices on thread.There are looking for the perfect system with no room for flexibility.They want to follow a defined procedure and never deviate from it come hell or high water.Unfortunately,in my opinion it does not work like that.You have produced at tremendous personal effort a blueprint which without question will produce many more winners for the average individual or even more professional like punter.Sadly,this may not be enough for everyone but it is for me personally,and you can see from the posts in support of you the vast majority.Good luck.

I dont think anyone with any sense would have expected this to have been a rigid rules sytem. That was explained by Max regarding the interpretation of form. The problems have been that in the set proceedures part that Max printed up (i.e. use master list, 10% for stats and the 80/20) no consistancy has been produced through any selections.If there had have been then everyone would not have been confused and hunting around for the 'missing part'.I acknowledge that Max said personal choice on what percentage to use for the cut off point for the stats but lets face it, Max claims such a great strike rate etc who is going to change a winning formula.
If you care to read this whole thread through again you will note that on several occaisions Max has made conflicting statements about the order of things. I have put this down to Maxs experience in that He knows certain race types etc and can maybe shortcut or alter slightly the basics to better suit that enviroment.
I feel that the problems many have experienced is down to the fact that Max has been trying to explaing his way of form reading rather than a stright forward system and it is impossible as has been stated to take into account gut feeling etc.As I suggested the best way forward in this sort of situation is working examples as they arise.People get a better insight into the workings of someones thought process a lot easier than trying to follow rules,especially if they are variable.
I am grateful he attempted to show us his way of working and wish it could be carried through to its conclusion where everone has a full understanding of his methods but Max appears to have discontinued it in favour of his new method and that is his choice but I am sure a lot of people are still left wondering how it works.
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The way I see it is that Uncle Max has given us some extra tools in which to help us make selections....How we use them and whether we use them is up to us......His way of Betting is different to mine in that I prefer going for a Big Hit a couple of times a week or once a week where Uncle Max prefers a number of selections in a number of Races......I dont think his way of doing it is any better or worse than mine and Im not going to criticise either way they both work.I would find it very hard to explain how I come to my selections as it covers a very broad spectrum and I dont specialise in anything but Uncle Max has been able to explain and he gets my very warm thanks for doing it.
I ran some of my selections through the filters and although the end result was the same I had used less Turnover...which to me is a good result because I use an increase stake relevant to my bank so better strike rate means it works far better.
If I was making a living like Max through it mine would work just as well ie that period I checked even before the Filters was a 30 week period 49 bets 13 losers.....If I used a 5% of Max's £20,000 bank level stakes = £1000 on each selection I would have £30,000 proffit which is over the £750 per week Max needs to live on.
So both our ways work but Uncle Max prefers and has success with his way and he actualy does it.....I dont do it for a living but I intend to
Regards.......

BRICK

Fi Nut/Brick;Firstly,I think the problem is not neccessarily what is said its how the points are put forward.My guess is if specific questions that you feel are missing in Max`s process are put forward you will probably receive answers.But not to give a hypothetical example Channon in the 3.45 kempton did not have x percentage of winners at track it was 1% below your filter.Why do you say 10% and then go with 9%.You get the picture I`m sure.As for Brick I agree with you and would be interested in your methods/filters if you would care to post any suggestion which you use.I believe there is a variety of ways to achieve success and if you have another method thats great.If you have posted previously this info apologies and give me a gentle nudge where to find it.Cheers to you both.

Brick. I am a little confused. You mention that Max has a 20000 pound bank. I always though it was 10000. Has he changed something when I wasn't looking? He has always, as far as I can see, talked of 7.5% return per week to get his 750 pounds. Maybe things have changed dramatically while he has been away. Cheers. JIF

JIF.....for some reason I dont know why I got it in my mind Max used a £20000 bank ...I must be mixing him up with someone else....sorry if I mislead anyone.
IBROX......To be honest I have many selection methods to look at a horse or race and then filter it down to decide if or not to back it....I dont use one method and I dont specialise its just judgement over the years I promise Im not being evasive....I hate tipping horses but perhaps next time I have a proper bet I will post and give reasons why.....All I can say is most if not all are short priced Favs. its very rare for me to be on a 7/2 shot but it does happen although most are 1/1 2/1 shots...they tend to be top rated, in form and fit...again not all the time but most of it......Something I did post up was up to 4 day winners non Handicap I used to enjoy a lot of success with them.....I dont have many bets during a year usualy about 70 or so, in fact one year I think it was about 92/93 I only had 46 so it does not suit many people but I enjoy about a 70% strike rate.
I think my selection process would be called quality not quantity ...uugghh sounds conceited ....lol
Regards.........

BRICK

MAX:
come on gives us some more WINNERS

ive flown the coup mate and got a nice little corner on the vdw section allthough winners are a bit thin on the ground right now.come and visit and you will see what i mean.
best wishes
max

Brick;What ever works for you.I`m a mug punter with too many losing bets.I try to learn from various sources to improve my strike rate and of course need to learn the magic word discipline.If you feel inclined to share your next bet and explanation why you bet it that would be great.I wont shout if it loses.Honest.

For those interested in thread Beverley tomorrow is one of the courses Max noted in his top 10 draw biases.There are a couple of potential races tomorrow in which this could apply.Advantage with top 3/4 stalls.High numbers to avoid dubiety as it appears there was slight confusion on another thread.

just seen your last post regarding beverley,on ground good or faster ONLY consider the top 3/4 stalls,low have no chance.

Thanks Max should have been more concise.

did you notice the significance of the draw today,up to 1m high dominated.