Swish;21 st Mar;3.25 DoncDandoun/Kings Ironbridge 4.20 Sou;Al`s alibi/Inthaar 22nd Mar;4.55 Newb;Celtic Justice/Sure Future 26th Mar;2.00 Sou;just the job11///broughtons flush 2.30 law breaker/attorney 3.00 inchcoonan(nr)/effervence 4.00 limbo lad/mystical venture

Swish;27th unofficial;No filters; king Priam/Cut Rate.Opener Northern Desert 3.40 Solomans Mine ew and at Catterick;Middlethorpe Official;Guarded Secret/Wait for the will Diamond Dagger/Conundrum 28th;No filters 3.40 leic;marlo;4.00 weet a minute4.20 muss;Digdada;2.10 Exe D`argent 2.30 Royal Cascade;3.30 Piccled 4.50 Muss Duelling banjos. Sorry about typing and best of luck.

Swish;just noticed in my haste forgot to put 28th Mar;First selection Marlo.

Swish.
I'm like a spare doins at a wassname,but if you want someone to input the obvious I'm here,bearing in mind that I don't know the difference between a spreadsheet and a bedsheet!
I can however make a wicked cuppa,and if there's a fight I'm good at holding the coats!
Q.

Right my printers knackered so I shall have to write them longhand. I tried e-mailing them to myself but it refuses to do that as well.
But what about all those earlier ones where you ended up with 1 or 2 a day?
Swish

Ive been thinking.......fatal thing for me....but if we use the 80/20 lists first does that mean we will then be ignoring the trainers and jocs who are course specialists and dont show up on the the top 20% but would show up on individual course lists.....or am I missing something?????
Regards.......

BRICK

Q

I`m planning on throwing a sickie on Monday I think I`ll probably have a hangover (delete probably insert will). I notice racing is a bit slack too, only 15 meetings. I wondered if you wouldn`t mind sparing a few minutes to whizz through the filters on Monday but of course not forgetting all the PVT`s. Naturally I`d be grateful if you could get this done by openning time (hair of the dog stuff and all that).

Any time you`d like me to spare you a few mins.......well, I`ll think about it.

yours

111
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111.
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Q.

Hi All,

I have been lurking this thread from the beginning but have not contributed as time has been short and I have not felt able to contribute anything of value.

I like Max's filters but here is one of my own (unless someone else has come up with it before - I don't know - apologies if so);

I really have only just come up with this today (15 meetings to go through tomorrow... aaagh!) and not thought it through much at all. I have had a quick look through the Van der Wheil method and have also been following Max's filters and his guide to pro-punting. VDW's thoughts on the "class" of a horse appeals to me. Max's "human factor" also has great merit... the jockey being the "brains" behind the horse and, in my opinion, the trainer even more so. These are great methods but are very time consuming and I wondered if there might be a quicker way of sorting a "master list". I think that this method may have some merit and thought I would throw it open to you all for your thoughts. It is still time consuming, but in practice it may work out quicker than trawling through many different filters.

I will stress that I have not tried it out at all, but here goes:

A good trainer of horses should recognize a talented horse and place it in races where it will earn him the most prize money. He will also enrol the services of the best jockey he can. A successful combination of trainer/horse/jockey will add up to the best prize money record. To get this information, this is what to do:

Go to the horse's trainer stats in the Racing Post online. Look up the trainer "by horse" stats. Find the horse's name and get the TOTAL amount of prize money that the horse has won for the trainer. Divide this figure by the number of races the horse has entered, e.g. "Black Beauty"... 3(won)-6(races) 50%... win money- £60,000, total prize money (which includes places)- £85,550.

The total prize money is £85,550 and the number of races entered is 6 so this averages out at £14,258 prize money per race. If we round this to hundred pound units, it means that Black Beauty has a score of 142 (just remove the last two figures).

Repeat this for the other horses in the race, and the one's with the highest scores should have a very good chance of winning.

From the list this creates, further filters could be employed. Well, there you have it... whaddya think?

Regards,
66

[This message was edited by Double Six on March 31, 2002 at 12:55 PM.]

[This message was edited by Double Six on March 31, 2002 at 12:58 PM.]

Dear 66,
I tried this as a filter for my selections but it seemed to cost me winners so I abandoned it (mind you I was only doing First place prize money, not 2nd and 3rd place). I aren't sure if it helps or not. There are bound to be times in lower class races where the horses haven't won much between them. I mean suppose one has won 6k one 5k, 0ne 4k and one 3k. That can't mean much, surely?
Interesting though and nice to see someone else joining in and trying to help,
Yours
Swish

2.35 kemton border arrow
look at max filters the train fails on jock, also look at max racecourse list, look at kemton front runners good
BORDER ARROW is a hold up horse but won this race last year
train/jock/sire all 80/20 i will back BORDER ARROW
CABBIE
IM BACK UNTIL TUESDAY NIGHT
the 2.00 kemt tom tun not a good draw, looked at texas gold but a no so leave race alone i have only had time to look at these 2 races

SWISH glad to see you taking a go at maxs pro betting
when you say drop in class, can you be more specific,by drop do you mean from last race, and is the class by prize money, or is it from say A to B, ect, ect, or is it by looking at the selections wins in the past and say, it has won a class C and now is in a E, or again is it prize money, also it cant be only class, there must be other things to be added, perhaps now your on board, you will let us know, what else to look for
be lucky cabbie

maxs pro bets to-day
there was 4 races to-day to look at
2.35 border arrow i done filters, failed on train/jock=9% but max said there has to be a winner and has stated i backed it

3.10 nott sammax i backed it but no time to use filters i just used the 80/20 it was 3rd@5/1

3.40 nott jalb i backed it but did not use filters i just used the 80/20 i backed it and it won @ 5/1

4.05 warwick grannys pet just used the 80/20 i was going to bet but it was odds on did not use filters it won @ 8/13

the reason i did not do the filters was i had no time i would have used the filters if i had time
but the idea was to look at the 3 horses that had low form figures then use the 80/20 it worked

max did say form/class was secondary to his filters,

be lucky cabbir

because i was short on time i looked at the 3 lowest form figures plus the 80/20

be lucky cabbie

looked at the flat for tuesday i cant find a bet
be lucky cabbie

IBROX/SWISH
IBROX i agree about trainer form if he has had a win in the last couple of days then i would say he is in form

SWISH regards to form figures i dont think i said anything about winning last race,all i have said you add last 3 figures up, they could have been 4th,5th,or anywhere but if there last 3 form figures are the lowest then they are woth looking at, and im sure a lot of races are won by the most recent form figures
and you are correct they would also have to be checked,
the idea i put forward was we have not got the time to check all of maxs filterings
my idea was to quickly go through all the races and if you dont get a 80/20 with good form fig then move onto another race, that is what i done today and i was well short on time
tommorow on the flat there was about 3 races to look at they past my 80/20 on train/jock/sire/ but did not pass maxs filters so i have no bet tommorow
be lucky cabbie

max pro bets using top weights with a drop in class and in the 1st 4 in r/p f/c plus maxs filters

it makes sense to look at horses in the top weight bracket they are the class horses i only looked at the top 2 in the weights but on reflection i should have looked at the 3rd downward to see what weight they are carrying maybe i will do that on further samples
drop in class makes sense as well
1st 4 in f/c makes sense

the horses that passed the above and also passed maxs filters was
2.20 utt motellino
3.10 warwick sadlers secret

there was a couple of near misses
one was
4.20 utt tristian ludlow passed all filters but the jock what was 9%
but reading your messages you want them to pass all filters
be lucky cabbie

BRICK

all i have done is go to the 80/20 first
if you filtered all the train/jock specialist they will still have to come to the 80/20 to pass

when max was putting the horses up for us to bet a few of us querried max selections because they did not pass the filters

a classical was the trainer doe he was only showing 9.2% but max selected his horses,
if you read a horse i querried he said 079% is neither here or there i think this was about 2 days before he had to leave the forum that is when i started checking his selections,
they all had the 80/20
we was all to busy trying to do what max asked us to do
i think that max desperatly wanted to help us but because someone nicked his idea and put it onto a differant forum,he did not want this to happen, if you read one off his messages, he said KIS/FLORENCE the best way is for us to sit down together facing one another but because that is impossible we will have to soldier on this way, what was he trying to say? who knows if his idea was not put on a differant forum,i think he wanted us to really get the hang of the filters and when he thought we got it of to pat,he might have showed us a differant way
the question to ask yourselves do you think max could have done 3 meetings doing it the way he showed us
if you looked at max then look at all of what he said
he went racing a couple of times,we all know when you go racing, after the races you might have a drink or go for a meal and so on you get back home do you want to do the racing for the next day
he also mentioned he went out with the wife for meals all this is loss of time on the computer, now we come to the betting it takes 2 1/2 hours of racing thats the least time so you must ask yourselves can the way he suggested be possible
after all max couldnt be much faster on the filters than us after all its only pressing buttons and once we new what to do which only took us a coupple of meetings to get use to it,it become easy
that is why i thought there was a easier way
be lucky cabbie

Hi, Cabbie I think what was trying to do is to show there was a few ways to use his method. The one thing he could not show was experance, that is how he sometimes picked horses that did not comply with his teachings. I would not worry though because I think most of you are doing great and with time you will be able to do the same as Max. Be Lucky, Barry

KIS/FLORENCE asked max how he chose a horse that was minus 10 on the adding up,i dont remember if he answered the question, but this horse was last on the pvt,
i checked the horse it had all 80/20,and it was at the front end off the r/p, f/c,i thought this was further proof of max,s picking his selections
ie the horse/jock/sire/ all had 80/20 but the pvt was the lowest@ minus 10.
before max came in with his 80/20 i have never heard off the 80/20, also when he spoke about stats,i would never had looked at stats the way he suggested,but since max has pointed the way, i now firmly believe that stats wins races,i think the best place for max system,to get the stats is stephen manwairing site,i have got a lot of stats from this site,and they all form to max,s ideas so i will keep using maxs stats, filters, but if they dont pass the filters i will fall back on the 80/20 max did say there must be a winner, and you know as well as i do max did not stick to his rules, BUT he never strayed away from the 80/20, check out his selections, and you will see he stuck to the 80/20
the selections for the jumps to-day because i have no 80/20 fig for the jumps i had to use maxs filters,
be lucky cabbie