this is how i see maxs pro bets im going away for a week so if you do the racing while im away let me know if im right
1st if you visit stephen mainwaring site you will need to get his 80/20 sires also his 80/20 train /jock make sure you get the turf 80/20 while your there you mighy as well do the same for the aw this is the start,
next mark of all the jock/train with 80/20 for now only look if both train/jock has 80/20
next once you got 80/20 tr/j get the sires list and see if the selected train/jock horse has a 80/20 sire
next add the last 3 placings ie 3,2,1=9 0,6,4=20 the 0 counts as 10
next for a non hcp is it in the 1st 4 f/c
next if handicap is it in the 1st 5 in f/c
if 2 or more come up to marks ie tr/jk/sire you can dutch
i have been doing this for the last 2 days max put his horses up today and apart from weet-a-min i picked the same as max in the 2.30 i also picked the same as max but it did not have 80/20 for jock and it did not have sire 80/20 but the horse royal cascade had runs for him it was also lowest fig 7 the fav was esher common it was 4/5 f/c not had a run but it had a 80/20 jock plus a 80/20 sire i thought it was worh a chance the fav won mine nowhere
if you look at the one i did not get it near anoth follows same pattern but i missed it because it was 6th in the f/c in a hand it was weet-a-minute it won at 14/1 i did not filter any of these horses i only done the above
that is my theory we can only wait and see how it works out im pleased to-day to get almost of what max put on the board to-day well thats it let me know what you think it maybe i havent got it right it may need a twitch here or there but i think it will be a good discussion to go on i do believe in max system
be lucky cabbie

sorry i have just read what i wrote 3,2,1=6 not 9 what chance have i got if i cant add up
be lucky cabbie

Hi....if you look down the page of system testing results you will see Stephen has posted his 80/20 lists for us to use I printed them off to refer to might make it easier ...just a thought...
Regards......

BRICK

IBROX/BRICK i think after you have read how i see maxs system you will see i have broken no rules the way i have laid out the system is exactly has maxs way
to test my way you start at the end 1st ie look for the 80/20 it takes no time
then do it the way maxs said which takes a long time you will get the same horse
i did also say max has give us all the details he didnot leave anything out i think max is and will always be a star and when he comes back he will either say its right or wrong
BUT no doubt you have tried to work maxs suggested way, do you really believe you could do 3 meetings like this i would doubt it, by the time you done all that your head will be spinning he gave us the tools so we are sticking to the tools we have added nothing or taken nothing away
be lucky cabbie

BRICK i have not seen the list of stephens on the forum,
there was nothing wrong with maxs 80/20 list but stephens list what i got from his site is in chronicle order which speeds up the looking
but remember every one it is my theory i might be proven a right pr*t but i think we all want to do maxs system if im wrong so what at least we have a starting block i have only suggested this way because max has left us
be lucky cabbie

Hi...click on "system Testing and Results" scroll down half way Stephen posted them March 21st I think......Im off to bed ...night night....
Regards.....

BRICK

i also forgot to tell you all the stats are free on manwairing site i have e-mailed stephen and he has replied im intersted in his race-cards tall the info will be at a click of a button, he hopes to be printing he,s cards in may he is waiting to see what saville is going to do
be lucky cabbie

cabbie

I've been thinking along the same lines as you, why do all the work if the trainer/jockey aint on the 80/20 list. I'll have a closer look in the morn, i'm off now, been on the old fallin down water and think i'm about to fall.

Cheer's Kis

please dont forget the horses on thursday did not go through the final filters there is 2 you could not back because the trainer was out form
also we still got to get the 2nd horse for the dutch
dont forget the racecourse file max supplied for us, he did not leave anything to chance
so there you have it but there is still work to be done dont forget max had some strange selections we still got a lot to do but this is a start
be lucky cabbie

i like it - time will tell.

it's not true max though - is it?? ie no filtering and excluding if not in first 4 or 5

but lets see how it goes and if it needs tweeking
we'll have a week till your return.

spacedout

cabbie

Ok it looks good, but dont know if i'll have time to look at it, but i'll try.

Regarding the part where you add up the last 3 placings.
What are we supposed to do with the resulting figure?

Have a nice hol
Kis

placing figure comes from VDW - it's an indication of recent form - lower the better.

my initial thoughts here are that we start using form figure surely we have to start looking at how that form was obtained - ie class it ran in and opposition, hey VDW again.

dunno - i still intend to pursue max method as well - he obviously profits from it,

there is 52 hours in a day isn't there ???

spacedout

spacedout,

Cheer's and thank's for the reply.
I to am going to try and follow Max's methods but cabbies idea may have something.

Regarding the 52 hours in aday there needs to be!

Cheer's Kis

Cabbie;I am not suggesting you are digressing from Max`s methods but max himself used positive discretion.An hypothetical example would be if a trainer say never had a winner for 15 days but had a winner a couple of days previously Max I am pretty sure would not disqualify his selection purely on that basis.Class was mentioned and of course this is very relevant.From memory Max indicated to run through PRW filter and this is about trainer/jockey record in class.I will only be online till Tues as my computer is causing problems and going away.I am only able to stay online just now for short periods so I am unable to check Rp site and study form online which is a bloody nuisance,but I am interested and will help if needed whwn I can.Cheers.

Hi, Everyone,
Please don't think I am trying to spoil anything on this thread, far from it, but I must agree with spaced out, that if you are going to consider form figures, you must look at what class they were obtained in or they , in my opinion, are valueless.
As you know I get around 66% strike rate on my certs. None are picked with the use of form figures. Just to show you a little example of last run form figures. I have picked 9 "certs" so far that won last time out. Only 4 won.
On the other hand I have picked 11 that were 4th 5th,6th,7th or 8th last time. Of these 8 won. Coupled with, in general, if your horse won last time out the odds are usually stingier than normal, because everyone likes horses that won last time out, or figs like 122 etc etc.
In fact IF in a couple of months time I find my "certs" keep performing badly when they have won last time out, I might only go for ones that DID NOT win last time out.
I realise it is early days and the above isn't a big sample of results, but you would tend to think winners last time out would perform better than that.
A better filter may be "has the horse dropped in class?".
That is one of my most important filters to me.
Let's have your opinions then, I mean I don't know if you would lose too many winners if after we had done Max's filters we looked for a class drop as well. I seriouly think it as possible avenue to think about,
Yours
Swish

A Swish/Max system,well all I can say is that the bookies better watch out,they'd better have some defence system,maybe take up Martial Arts,perhaps it would be called 'The Way Of The Andrex'!!
Q.

Hello Q,
Max and I have e-mailed a few times and he is going to look at how my certs would have performed with his filters. Would we have lost or gained winners? Trouble is it takes time, of course, and now with him going away for a while.........?
In the meantime it would be handy if someone could see if Max's gee gees did any better if they were dropped in class.
I don't mind having a go if someone could give me a list of them all (Max's), but I just do not have time to trawl through the whole thread. I have to prepare my report of my own horses on Dutching thread,
Any Volunteers?
Yours
Swish

Swish;I`ll try and do subject to computer holding out.There`s actually not many on thread from memory But I did notice 2 of the last winners were Weet A Minute at 14/s yesterday and the previous day Solomons Mine at 12`s.I would be amazed if they went through filters but this is speculation on my part.Are we talking official or simply selections? I would guess that Max`s 2 winners were fit from all weather and this may be something to ponder over the next few weeks until new season for flat settles.

Cheers Ibrox,
I aren't sure what I meant. I think I mean all the horses that have passed filters since this has been going on???
Swish

Swish;Do in 2/3 parts dependent on computer.Firstly,Max said system primarily for flat,and if does not pass filter use form.