KiS

Have a look at the bottom line on your post.

2001 Bang 1/12..........1/10....= 2/22

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I dont think you have quite understood the question. My last line read;-

He had 10 hurdle races of which he won 1, =10%
He had 2 chase races of which he won 0 = 0%
which = 1/12 = 8% overall.

Cheer's Kis

it is a hurdle race we are talking about 2000=1/10 and 2001=1/10.overall hurdle and chase last season=1/12 what sort of record is that for pipe?
did you look at the 9.00 wolverhampton.?
max.

yesterday jif asked for comments on the 1.55 utt.the 4/9 fav saint par.i posted that allthough the horse came out clear best in the points value table on form and class it failed on filter because of the jockey.
i hate going over past races but i have looked at this one more closely today and ran the filter on all runners.
this how they came out on form 1 saint par-2 mamboesque-3 massimo-4sonny jim-5 billy joe.they fell into 3 groups really with the top one a clear leader followed by the next two closely matched and finally the bottom two some way adrift.
as far as the filter goes they all failed bar sonny jim but he was discounted because he was so far behind the others on form.
so now we have not one runner who can be backed,but obviously there has to be a winner,what i am saying is if you are faced with all the runners not passing the filter for one reason or another then concentrate on form alone because no matter how terrible the % for each runner a winner must emerge.
max.

MAX

Cheer's mate thank's for that i was just doin the 1/10 + 1/10 = 2/20 = 20%
but i do see your point about what sort of records is that for pipe, a pretty dam crap one.

Yes i did look at the 9.00 wolve and think i can see your ideas as to why your selection won, as it was the form horse having come 2nd in its last 2 races and the only danger being garth pool who came 2nd last time and nothing else looking likely to win the race. I would not have the confidence to bet on it just by looking at its form as i dont have the experience you obviously have (hope thats goin change soon on my behalf).
I ran all the runners through the filters and nothing qualified.

Cheer's Kis

MAX

Typing at the same time.
Your last statement answers my posting if they all fail the filters, go on the form as a winner must emerge.

Cheer's Kis

MAX

Just been reading the thread again and dont seem to be able to find anything on getting your bets on. Now we are armed with the info you so kindly gave us, and when we are well practiced in using it, we hopefully want to be betting as much as your good self (well at least i do). So can you give us any info how you get yours on, without getting refused.
We know you sometimes go to the track and sometimes use your local bookie, but have you ever been refused or closed down?
Any info would be greatly apreicated.

Cheer's Kis

max
can you clear up some of my q
1q step 2 evaluating your examlple says fingures crossed ran in last 3 races50 40 30 todays prize money is 5k so we deduct 16 thats the amount of runners 8 this is no problem where my problem is page 6 try again you give another example mount prague race and you made no deductions for that days prize money so what is the correct way
next i have gone through your post it seems im not deducting the allowance weight for jock e:g 3/5/7lb i take it you do take the allowance off the horses weight and enter exact weight they are carrying e:g horse weight 9.00 apprentice 7lb the weight to go on now is 8.7 can you clear this up for me please i liked the filters against the vdw form horses i wonder will they jump on board and use them i visited stephen mainwaring site he has a few free articles i think you should pay it a visit
regards florence

hi everyone i would like to thank you all for your hard work keep up the good work i hope to contribute a lot more in the future. steve

Hi steve o'connor,

welcome mate, You've definitely made a good decision looking in on this board. Look forward to any contributions you can make in the future.

Are you a red or a blue?

Cheer's Kis

glad to have you back with us,i was begining to wonder where you were.
you are quite right in the mount prague example i neglected to type in the points deduction/increase allthough i did remember when originally assessing this race,if memory serves correctly i had misplaced my original workings for this race and was typing from memory after losing the first posting.
you must always look at the last three prize money and total up accordingly.

in anwser to your second question yes you always have to take any claim off the published weight.
the riders claim is never taken off by the r/p because this would be invalid if the jockey put up any overweight or there was a jockey change.
if a jockey is claiming 5lb for example and for some reason they could not ride and another jockey replaces them it could not be assumed that the new jockey has the same weight claim thus the horses weight is always printed as weight carried if a professional with no claim is on,assuming no overweight.

sorry for the mix up.
max.

hi kis i am a very happy blue at the minute long may it continue. steve

i cannot remember if i have already said this before but there is a easier way to run filter on every trainer/jockey on the card,i will list in steps to make it easier to understand.
step 1-click up the particular race you want to look at.on the right hand side of the page you will see a list that looks like this-
ANALYSIS
CARDS
MEETING INFO
COURSE DETAILS
OTHER RACES
OTHER MEETINGS
under course details you will see other sub headings top trainers/jockeys/favourites etc.
step 2 click on top trainer and you will see a new box open that lists all of the trainers in that particular race their % are listed in age groups so if you are looking at runners in a 4yo+ race then look at the column for that age.
step 3 make a list of all that pass the 10% rule.
step 4 do exactly the same thing for the jockey.you should now have two lists that can be crosschecked to give you a master list.
step 5 from the remaining qualifiers you can then run the filter as usual for class/dist/race type etc.this saves you from going through each trainer individually.
hope that helps.
max.

MAX

Ref your posting above, when you do step 2 and the box opens up, the figures in that box are for the last 5 years. Do we then click on last years results?

Also if we look under that particular race age 4YO we get wins/rides ratio but we dont get the percentage, do we us the overall?

Cheer's Kis

re your last post

i do not usually have any trouble getting bets on,i come from a small town and every body who has any interest in gambling knows me,they know that any bet i place is not the result of any inside information just my own opinion after studying the race.as you know i am fairly strict as to the size of my bet which more often than not will be £200 except after the initial increase after a winner in my progressive staking plan.i am on friendly terms with all the local bookies and often they will try to lay bets off on me when they have bets that could cause problems,when this happens i look at the horse in question and make a decision as to whether i would want to be on it suffice to say if i fancy it then i do not touch it.this works both ways though and i expect the same understanding from them if i want a decent bet but the odds i work to 4/5 hardly constitute a big win.its just if i stay in one place to long the consistancy of wins gets them edgy so i do move around a lot.
in the summer i try to go to the track around 3 or 4 times a week.i am lucky as you are in where i am situated roughly in the middle of the country which enables me to travel north or south.
the travelling expense is another thing to take into consideration and at the height of the season you are going to need a good few hundred a week just to get to the different courses,i have a secondary bank specifically for this purpose though but upping your target ammount during these months is a good idea.
the only time i have had a bet refused was with a bookie who i did not get on with and after years of back biting from both of us i visited his shop for weeks on end placing every bet with him just to wind him up.he soon got fed up paying out and told me i was not welcome back,which left me no choice but to pay half a dozen people each day to place bets for me in his shop,theres always a way around any problem finding it is half the fun.
max.

the last 5 seasons form is even better use it to give you an even better insight into the trainer/jockey.
i know that its wins to runs but the 10% can easily be worked from this.
max.

MAX

Ref your last post and the bit where you state the following

"i visited his shop for weeks on end placing every bet with him just to wind him up.he soon got fed up paying out and told me i was not welcome back,which left me no choice but to pay half a dozen people each day to place bets for me in his shop,"

Well that really did make me LOL

Cheer's Kis

MAX

If your good at maths, but i'll learn and quick.
I'm of over to the RP now to give it a go.

But before i do i've just spent the last hour goin over the first 2 races at ling for tomorrow and in the first race, nothing qualifies the filters, but remembering what you said about recent run, then BAYTOWN SUMMERCAT looks the one to be on.
In the 2nd race the only selection that qualifies the filters is NIGHT CAP but looking at the form of the others before i do the points value table then the dangers look to be from HOLYBELL and PRIMROSE AND ROSE.

What are your thoughts on these 2?

Cheer's Kis

i will look at these and get back to you tonight.
going to put up my bets for tomorrow until target reached again.
didn't baytown summercat run in the brockelsby and finish 2nd last night,if so then very interesting.

MAX

Just popping back from the RP site, your right my friend just used your idea as stated above and now instead of having to look at all 14 in the 3.10 ling i've only got to look at 4, and if you would like to check i've done it right, those 4 are:-

SOUNDS LUCKY
THREAT
CHARGE
TIMLESS FARRIER

So back over to the RP to run these through the filters.
Any short cuts on the POINTS VALUE TABLE?

Cheer's Kis