Anyway - I thort -

The whole idea of VDW was to find "The Winner" in the race

Rather - "Letting the Side down" - this Dutching

Someone will next claim that VDW had to Dutch in order to achieve his 80% strike rate

Jib
You seem a little bit miffed mate,Fair enough run it by Nessie and the rest,That from now on only single bets.You really are a mardarse.

if dutching is good enuf for vdw its good enuf for me.

T.c
Vdw claimed an 80% s/r,I haven't.I would just like to clear that one up.And youv'e got a neck to say that to me,When your going e.w and you can't even get the f.....g thing placed.I suppose you would have been shouting from the roof tops if yours had come in,And all the dutching wouldn't have mattered.One other thing why not address your posts to Nessie/Investor.He had 3 in one race yesterday.So have a pop at him aswell.

AND Ive made a profit!!

Go on have a laff!

investor -

believe me - I am not having a "pop" at you - quite the reverse !

You are the only one of the VDWrs to have had the "balls" to enter the challenge , and I admire you for doing so !

If I have the occasional "pop" at VDW it is usualy done "Tongue in cheek" - that is simply my nature - No malice is intended. - that is reseverd for those who bring VDW into disrepute by making postings which attract "Laughter and Derision" from the remaining members of the forum.

You will have noticed that even JIB is happy to enter into sensible disscusion when given "Something to get his teeth into" relating to the subject.

Please don't take offence so easily - You have read into a number of my posts - things which were not there (or certainly not intended) - true I and others initialy critised what we regarded as "Aftertiming" - but that is commendably absent from your current postings , I have repeatedly said that provided that it is "Counterbalanced" by "UP front postings , then there is nothing wrong with posting a post result analisis (good thing in fact)

Anyway I repeat - don't take offence - your current postings are very usefull contributions to the thread

Nessie
And good for you mate. if T.C and Jib start getting Mardy then i'm not interested,I haven't put one penny down on the selections i have put on here.It's just a bit of fun to me.I very much doubt i will back anything i put on this thread.That isn't to say there won't be other bets.

Epi
I think you need to bring some rules into this little competition because it seems o.k for you to have 2 bets a day,It doesn't matter if Nessie has 3 in a race,It's no problem for T.c to go e.w,But when i dutch all hell breaks loose.Mardy sods.

Investor,

There are 3 ways of looking at this:

a) horses won/horses picked
b) races won/races picked
c) ROI.

Option 'c' is not our problem and in financial terms is the correct approach.

However if the object of this execise is to identify which factors are most vital to a winning horse then option 'a' is the correct approach.

If the object is race SR then the 80% thread already exists for that purpose.

In real life - I tend to "Dutch" about 70% of my bets - so it probably makes sense to do so on the challenge as well !

If I start to do so - I will not simply be "Jumping on the Bandwagon" - just reverting to type

There was no suggestion that you should not Dutch - it was just a gentle amused "prod" at "conventional" VDW thinking - everytime on the main thread that I have suggested that he did - it has been met with protestations to the contrary from the main protagonists

Dutch away - no problem

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T.c
O.k,Iv'e used up the Kleenex and put my dummy back in ready to commence battle.It's just that sometimes you come accross as taking the piss.I suppose i ought to lighten up a bit,I just can't get used to people being decent after all the shit iv'e had in the past.Jus a defensive thing i suppose.

Tis all your fault EPI
The scoring maths are flawed

Its bloody slow on here tonight I wish somebody would feed the Hamster

boozer - I rebooted - and it picked up a bit.

Great minds think alike
So did I but didnt make much difference

Couldnt get on at all for 3 hours yesterday morning

Hi Boozer,

I understand you have probs getting on here, but, just to let you know that I liked your stats given on the other thread ( Conts thread) about prize money.

I'm still plodding away on there with " VDW selections". Little response, of course, but it's good " teach yourself" practice.

What I had asked on there was, " do your stats show that previous runs at high grade tracks ( Newmarket, Ascot, Epsom, Newbury, Sandown,say) are, like high prize money, good positive pointers?

I'm sure they are.

I'll give two percent figures, one for the race strike rate and a parenthetical one for horse strike rate for the Dutchers. Everybody happy?

seanrua -

As you know I am not a VDWr - and I am sure it has no relationship to VDW thinking - but -

my info is that - a previous run at a High Grade Track irrespective of the result - provided that one of the top 4 jockeys is now employed on a lower grade track - is a damm good pointer ! - better if it is a "Top Trainer" also

Yes, thanks, Tuppeny Cat.

In the battle between Frankie and Kieren, I always look to see where their mount was lto - especially when they're racing at Wolver.

Strikes me that the jockey's agent has a big part to play in the success of his man. Fallon doesn't seem to be getting the best of mounts lately, with Stoute down in bottom cog.

'Twas while trying to check all this out that I noted that, where they'd run before, seemed to be a better pointer than today's SP.

That's partly how I got Nashaab today.

EpiG,

Thats fine by me, THANKS!

Lou De Moulin Mas 140B

Jaybejay 320B

Benrajah 335H

Finzi 440H

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Seanrua,

I admire your optimism on expecting some sort of answer from those in the know - and do you have to keep finding those short priced winners in your stale crust thread .

I would have to say looking at what you've chosen yourself vs what you may have chosen VDW wise - stick to what you're choosing, you're obviously doing something right.

I asked a question regarding the last 2f regarding some horses that weren't mentioned by VDW, I did eventually get an answer - after I complained of no answer - when the answer finally came it was basically I can't be arsed to look analyse the VDW selections, my interpretation Lee not necessarily what you meant - and at least you DID answer. I do call a spade a spade.