I cannot claim an 80% strike rate (unless my lay bets are taken into consideration - still don't like laying but if money can be made....) can claim at best 30%, more likely 25% (actually 28% at present) but the odds mean 123 points at level stakes since 9th June from 162 bets. What are they - in the best VDW tradition, I'm not telling. All you need is UKHorseratings and look at the top 3 - there are no missing keys.

Interesting stuff, lads!

Yes, that arbing site that Bio mentioned would frighten the sht out of most punters.

lately,I seem to be managing small profits with simple dutching, but it's a slow slog alright.

Right back to VDW - my rough version.
I read in today's RP that Proclamation ( my top flop on sat) " scoped dirty".
Well, now you know!
Come in, Investor. We need you badly.

sean - do you have a decent Dutching Calculator ?

If not , then try http://www.ukhorseracing.co.uk/tools/DutchingCalculator.asp

Thanks, TC!

That's very good.

Trouble is, I don't always use it.

just time to test a revised version of the rough VDW method:

320 Donc

PALACE EPISODE 13
AMIGONI 9
Killybegs 3

Result;

Non runner
Nowhere
Third.

This method isn't good with 2yo.

Don't quite know where to put this -

a - cos The Guy was the reason that Gummy started the thread, as a protest against "Crooked " Tipsters - CD in particular !

b - cos CD is the definitive VDW based tipster, and if VDW is ever going to work, then CD is the Guy who will make it do so !

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any way

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Colin Davy (CD) has writen to me offering his "Private Syndicate" tips - "FREE" -

well anyway on an 0870 number, which I think is more or less at "National Rate" for lines like the NHS.

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If you can be arsed - then you can listen to him "for free" on - 08700108662 - at whatever rate the line is charging- Until the end of Sept.

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I was going to do so , and post up his "selections" but franckly I cannot be "arsed"

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However - if you have never come across "Colin Davey" before , then you are missing out by not listening to a "Master of Deception"



At a guess - then I would expect that he advised "Mubtaker" today.

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TC,

Can't you get CD to post on here, then Gummy and Investor would be so shocked that they'd have to come back?!

No races of good enough quality for a no bet today then.





UKHR ratings have taken another leap forward with a new feature - 11 points in the last 2 days and the magical 80%, will it continue? Probably not, but that feature uses a lot of what VDW used.

I was buggered for time today, NFP, with hospital and going from there to the St Leger.

Not a sensible thing to do; i backed the Geezer EW ( 6/1) and left after that, soaked in the rain and completely knackered!

My vdw 3 would have been
Scorpion, The Geezer and Hard Top.

Best horse won, but it looked a right slog there, with not many seeming to have bothered backing the winner.
Whatever is said, conditions, imo, were as heavy as fk!

Not having a dig at you Sean.

I think without you the thread would be last post in July.

Hmmm, Last Post how ironic! (For any Americans look up "irony")

quote:

Originally posted by Nofinepix:
No races of good enough quality for a no bet today then.





UKHR ratings have taken another leap forward with a new feature - 11 points in the last 2 days and the magical 80%, will it continue? Probably not, but that feature uses a lot of what VDW used.

Quote by VDW. (From Racing In My System):
Computers will only give answers from the details fed them.If the punter does not know, but only thinks he knows, what he is putting in, then the computer will not help any.

Those words are every bit as true today as when he wrote them 12 or so years ago, and despite the attempts of such as Clive Holt, Colin Davey, UKHR etc, to imitate VDW, (The sincerest form of flattery?), the plain fact is, without an understanding of a few basic and simple concepts that he understood, and they don't, they will never reproduce his long term success.
Dream on.

"If the punter does not know, but only thinks he knows,"


Point is, johnd, how does the punter, or anyone else for that matter, know the difference between " knowing" and " thinking he knows"?

Otherwise, we are using just the same old tactic as all mystery- makers do, ie,

" that's for me to know, and for you to find out."

This may well be the case, for all I know, but it's not a bit of help in "discussion" ( alright, more accurately, " shooting the shit") that is aimed at FINDING OUT.

OK, I know the next bit off by heart; " so, buy the fkn booklets; do the " hard work"; follow what vdw "really meant" and FIND OUT".

Fair enough, but quite frankly, the Strike Rate of readers doing that on this thread seems to be very low. 1 out of 600, say?

By this, I mean those who have actually converted succssfully as a result of the thread.
About the only bggr to manage it was Investor, and he seems doomed to hover forever in cyberspace for his efforts. Not a particularly enticing thought, bless his little booklets, the poor fellow!

Btw, what's the latest on the " discovery2 of the existence of VDW's wife? Never heard much more about it.

Did the copyright merchants send in the legal team to suppress the information and hush the thing up before too many awkward questions were asked?

Sean

Point is, johnd, how does the punter, or anyone else for that matter, know the difference between " knowing" and " thinking he knows"?

A quote from another Oracle:
"Do not believe what you have heard.
Do not believe in tradition because it is handed down many generations.
Do not believe in anything that has been spoken of many times.
Do not believe because the written statements come from some old sage.
Do not believe in conjecture.
Do not believe in authority or teachers or elders.
But, by careful observation and analysis, when it agrees with reason and will benefit one and all,then accept it and live by it"
(BUDDHA)

There are answers, and I have, in the past, offered you specific assistance, and indicated to you a route that has no dependence on buying books. There are also some clear indications in posts by another member, which I took pains to point out at that time, and which still remain available to those with enough interest.
However, unless one has that initial belief in the veracity of VDW's words, and is able to accept exactly as he wrote, they are extremely unlikely ever to reach the stage of changing belief into knowing.

a)
"Do not believe in anything that has been spoken of many times.
Do not believe because the written statements come from some old sage.""

b)
" unless one has that initial belief in the veracity of VDW's words, and is able to accept exactly as he wrote," ( belif will be impossible).

Thank you for your reply, johnd.
I feel I may be a bit of a no-hoper bc, frankly, I have a problem reconciling extracts (a) from Buddha, and (b) from your good self.

Perhaps this highlights the weakness that comes from my latent cynicism.

On a positive note, I shall continue my attempt to make sense of vdw, despite the fact that i consider him " an old sage", and that his method has been "spoken of many times" .

Just a minor detail, I guess.

Btw, can we have a list of the successful converts? I still cannot think of any but Investor.

quote:

But, by careful observation and analysis, when it agrees with reason and will benefit one and all,then accept it and live by it"

Dunno too much about "Budhha" but I can't find too much wrong with that statement.

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However - I can't come to terms with the claim that VDW is the only "Messiah"

tc

BTW -

I have read every damm word that Tony Peach and co have published on the subject !!

plus those of every "Disciple" that I could find.

So, TC, perhaps you are well-placed to tell us who is on the list of successful converts?

I'm still trying to keep an open mind about vdw, but, of course, there's no denying that I may just think I'm doing that.

I don't think i've got anywhere near qualifying myself, but I've learnt a lot from this thread.
For this, I am very grateful to all who post.

Ha !

The only successful convert I can find - is Colin Davey - as evidenced by his Roller, Ferrari and Porche !

His success has come not by applying the VDW writings to his own betting, but by convincing huge numbers of gullable punters - of the value of the VDW writings, and getting them to sign up to his own overpriced Systems, and Services, which are mostly VDW based. (tho of course he never mentions VDW ).

'part from that, then I see no evidence of great success directly resulting from anyones reading of VDW.



tc

Personaly I have found VDW interesting and usefull, but I put much more stress on "ratings" and "dutching", than the "Diehards" advocate, and I get Flack for doing so.

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Cheers, TC.

I actually meant converts converted by reading this thread; there have been at least a dozen exponents of the scheme who have posted their pro VDW views on here. Investor was the only reader who appeared to convert, though maybe Vanman was a qualifier too.
Rarely are their successful selections posted, however.