Dunno if you still bother looking in here, EC, but congrats once again on Nidhaal - yet another winner for your speed figs!

I enjoy your posts on TRF and i was glad that you continued. Thought for a moment that you were going to get the hump and jack!!

Btw, just to be nosey, what did happen Davies?

I seem to have missed the aggro - if that's what it was that got him the red card.

Investor,

Have seen you looking in on a number of occasions.

Hope you are well and are doing well.

Investor?
Just the man we need to cast an eye over my saturday VDW attempt!

215 Haydock.

yeah, yeah, I know, no bet bc of fkn conflict and something that was said 30 years ago, but here are my ultra-rough ratings:

PROCLAMATION 223 d0 consistent
LA CUCARACHA 164 d3 consistent
Patavellian 102 d3 not consistent
Gift Horse 81 d3 consistent

Now, best thing to do here is Proc to place and the cockroach ew.
Don't get carried away; the dreaded Hills gang are on site. For this reason, and to fk Pricewise, something like Etlaala ( isn't that a tellytubby?) could win.

Speed figs knock my original fancy, Gift horse, right out of contention.

Not me of course - but this is an interesting posting nevertheless -


Haydock Sprint Cup

2/1 Proclamation, 100/30 Gift Horse, 7/1 Goodricke, 9/1 La Cucaracha, 10/1 Galeota, 12/1 Etlaala, Lucky Spin, Somnus, 33/1 Patavellian, 50/1 Ashdown Express, Fayr Jag, Indian Maiden, Traytonic, 66/1 Beckermet, Orientor, Steenberg, The Kiddykid,

If you start reading this in hope of a selection there isnt one ! I mentioned LUCKY SPIN earlier in the week at 25/1 and thats not a bad piece of advise at this stage. To be honest I thought this race would cut up and have about 10 runners but I cant believe 17 will run. Its simply out of my league. Not a race that suits my style of analysis and I wouldnt know where to start. The obvious professional view is that GIFT HORSE is a ridiculous price at 4/1 coming from a Handicap. For the record although all 8 horses that came from a Handicap lost, there was only 1 that had a chance and that was Danetime who was 2nd in 1997. I suppose it could be done but you have 5 Group 1 winners in this race and you have to feel its too much for him. I would also have to oppose PROCLAMATION. He is too inexperienced for me. The least experienced winner in Modern Times was the wonderful Danehill in 1989 who won this on his 9th start. I doubt he is another Danehill .This is only PROCLAMATIONS 6th start. Looking at horses with less than 7 career starts they are 0-21 in this race. College Chappel (1993) and One Cool Cat (2004) both started favourite for this with less than 7 career starts and both were unplaced. These days the field sizes are far bigger and thats not going to help PROCLAMATION. Would you take 2/1 about PROCLAMATION in a 17 runner race when more inexperienced that every winner since 1986 and from an age group that isnt that strong ? I wouldnt and nor would I take 4/1 about a handicapper like GIFT HORSE beating proven Group 1 horses. Both are Lays.

Think I am going - The cockroach EW as well.

tc

The cockroach was as good as Proc was bad!

Well done, TC!

Your point about lack of experience is one i must take on board.
When Proc didn't even feature, i was looking around for all sorts of conspiracy theory. Mind, you it did look a bit fishy when the old man's horse gallops up while the too-short fav of the wife's goes out the back door with young Frankie doing a nice bit of braking.

For a second, i even thought the dreaded Hills were going to strike with Etlaala, but, at least, we were spared that.

I've made a pig's ear of today and have lost a few pennies by being a dickhead.

Sorry sean - I can't take credit for that - the post was by Mathametician - tho - I wouldn't have put it up if I didn't think that it made sense !!

What pisses me off is that I had decided that his 2 horses were indeed "Lays" , and the winner was 3rd in the D.Mail betting forcast at 5/1 !!

I Regard the D.Mail as a V Good indicator of a horses chances , and at 14/1 ?? it was a bloody good "Value" bet .

also regard myself therefore as a "dickhead"

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no doubt "Investor" would endorse that view



tc

I've just trawled thru some threads on TRF.
The first was about the old question, " can you make a living by punting?".

Then i went thru selections for the Sprint Cup.
No bugger got it entirely right!

That's not how a living is made. of course, but i still feel it was strange that we had some decent interviews with Loder before this overlooked winner flew in.

For my sins, my efforts today show how bad temperament can lead to losses.
You'll have to take this aftertiming in good faith; my notebook from Friday night has these selections for Newmarket saturday:

255 Prince of Light, Strut
405 Imperial Stride, Mahmool
440 Primary, Papal Bull

Now despite the fact that i can hardly read my own writing, it's true to say that the first mentioned in each case was a winner!

Where did these names come from?
From Selections, RP on-line.

I have no excuse for not making a decent profit.

W 4.20 - Celtique - dropping in trip, looks set to break the maiden tag.

Meehans 3yo record is 2/22 - tho he has decent Warwick figures recently with 3 wins and a 2nd from 5 runners, and with Franki up for the first time - may be worth a saver

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TC,

Not a VDW race I would think, even with my limited knowledge!

The eventual winner had form figures 29 prior to today - the 9 being on todays going. Off course for 402 days - a big no no for VDW I believe.

nfinepix -

No not realy -

I was trying to temp "investor" back with his - "helpfull" comments, since i know how he loves my contributions

but no luck

TC,

I think Investor has gone for good - he looks in now and then, but posting wise I think he's gone.

I can't say I blame him, for all the stick he got (some merited, some not) - I'd have given up long before he actually did.

I do wonder if he'd been posting in anything other than VDW would the reactions have been the same - I doubt it.

It seems to be one of those subjects that polarizes folks.

BTW got 7/1 on the winner

If I hadn't been so greedy I could have got just over 8/1.

Yes - missed that

a "saved " 3 yo by a decent trainer is always worth putting into the equation !!!

Did you "Dutch" ???

tc

No, win only.

Bit miffed about the SP as Racing Post were showing 11/2 over most bookies when the race started.

Doubt that VDW would have approved

do you want to "Aftertime" ???

I should quantify that statement.

I back at the bookies and on Betfair - hence being miffed.

I think Betfair negates the bookies, but they have their website problems. Also there is the question of getting your bet matched on Betfair - if you do all well and good, if not you're peeved when it wins and happy when it doesn't.

With the bookies your bet is matched, either at the odds they offer at the time or at the very least at SP. It is why I won't give up my bookies accounts - however fecked if I know when an early price is good vs SP.

No aftertiming TC - have a look in OT's tipping comp.

Only reason I've posted.

so - Bookies and Bettfiar as well - have you joined Cabbies "Club" and are you "Arbing" ???


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Didnt want to suggest that you were "Aftertiming" -

just was interested in your reasons for the bet ???

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No - my bank isn't large enough, in answer to the Cabbie question. It will also be a long time before it is. To make the 300 he claims (I don't doubt it is possible by the way) but I reckon you need about 30,000 to do it spread around various bookies and exchanges - and then some money shifting around to do it.

Also there has been a losing bet not aknowledged on the horses - simply because of the way the exchange works and the way the bookie works. That does raise the question how many others because of the various rules? Ask Bio.

Please don't take that as a "it doesn't work" - it does, you just have to be aware of the pitfalls.

Reason for the bet - UKHorseracing ratings, that and only that. Everything else I have learnt said it was no bet, it wasn't even their top rated - but according to odds and place in their ratings it was a bet.