NOT A SELECTION then Investor???????????

112 Jazz D´Estruval LOST
11 Joaaci LOST

the most consistent horses by a long way..only 6 runners in the race..both beaten

oh dear..it doesn't seem to work

the £ earnt relating to class takes a knock at perth as well..ANOTHER FLAW in VDW

We have a CLASS B £10,000 chase (3.30 race)with horses rated 148/152 competing with each other

then a lower class D HANDICAP £12000 (4.35 race) with the best horse being rated 125.

VDW rates the winner of these ..the B class race = 100..the D class race = 120

totally illogical and flawed..no VDWer can defend it..class is NOT related to £ earnt

Ectoo
I'm beginning to worry about you mental state.Jazz D'estruval was probably a lay of the day,And wasn't a form horse.Joaacim was a consistent form horse,But there was a higher class horse which had to be respected.Not a penny has gone out of my account and it isn't likely to.Not today anyway.if you look on the other forum i said so way before the off.You see unlike your good self i am not a gambler and stick to indicated races and when everything is in my favour i go in,So you can bleet on all you lke about these "consistent rated" horses that lose it makes no difference whatsoever to my betting account.

which forum did you make Jazz lay of the lay? post a link

the indicated races you mention..you said this was one yesterday..it is a class B race..is that not high enough??????????? ?

you quoted a class C race yesterday as having a VDW selection in.

can we know which races don't qualify ..class C does..class B doesn't..what???

IS

1112 Schuh Shine

A VDW SELECTION

answers before 4.35 or chicken out of commenting

Ectoo,

The truth of the matter is I do ignore stats. I also ignore trends, I consentrate on the HORSE. I do cast an eye at the trainer but then only to see if the stable is in form. For me in form doesn't just mean having winners but horses running up to their ability.

The figures I was asking for do have a constant, but not one based on opinion. The form figure is fact, ok a fact that different interpretations can be read into but a fact.

I notice you have now brought in another attack, class. On this one I have to agree, but I can see no reason why a few years ago penalty value wasn't a reasonable way to judge class. The powers that be now see fit to offer poor horses good prize money for what ever reason. As I said I think VDW would have change this method of judging class. This is one of the areas I dissagree with the some of the 'experts'. I do find it interesting (but strange) some still use penalty value to judge the class of a horse but not always the class of a race. However VDW did point out money didn't always = class.

Be Lucky

P.S. I'm a little late joining in as I was busy this morning. One has to make a living even if they don't share with everyone. How much of your wages do you give away to stranger's, apart from the income tax and other such contributions

come on times running out

IS Schuh Shine A VDW selection

isn't it hard before a race?????????????????????????????????????????????

Mtoto..you say penalty value was a factor..well if it isn't now why do VDWers still use it??

they aren't attacks Mtoto

I am wanting logical explanations of this superb method that is based on FLAW after FLAW

the main FLAW is no one has an opinion before a race

now Investor tells me a class C race qualifies but a class B doesn't????????

coincidentally he backfitted the winner in the class C..just because it won..maybe thats the missing LINK..you just backfit to olympic standard.

16:33

still no one brave enough

16.34

still no one is brave enough.

lots of hot air air on here..NO SELECTIONS though

anyone brave enough??????????????????????????????/

time up

reality over

now you can aftertime for england

the USUAL practice of the VDWer

you get lots of chances to show how good this is..and what happens?..no spine

Investor

You asked what I did about excusing the Ps, Fs, etc of the horses running over the sticks.

As per VDW - read through the form of those concerned and looked to see if there were any reasons to "excuse" a particular run.

As far as I can remember there were no excuses for any of the horses concerned (from my point of view, anyway).

Hope this clarifies how I went about it.

it doesn't matter Pitmatic

it doesn't work in real time..this thread proves it

VDW followers can't EVER decide on a selection before a race

1112 Schuh Shine

A CLEAR VDW selection according to the other board loses.

it's really hard in real time isn't it?

at least someone on there had the bottle to post it

Pitmatic
Thanks,I was just interested to see how others who i haven't had the pleasure of posting to before or seen there contributions went about sorting these figures out.You seem to have it covered.

Ectoo
have you been smoking wacky backer or something this afternoon.I said on the other forum that it was a dry day for me.So why do you persist with this nonsense,THERE WAS NOTHING WORTHY OF SUPPORT FROM A VDW PERSPECTIVE.Now stop ****ing about and contribute in an adult manner instead of someone who has just been weened of his mothers tit.

Ectoo

The point you seem to be missing is you don't back horses just because. Just because it is running in a good race and/or just because it is consistent. I assume Investor backed in the C race yesterday because the horse had the requirements and it was the classiest race of the day (the way he works) Have to be honest I took a quick look and said nothing today, the expected price would have been to short for me.

I can't see how you have proved backing consistent horses is a flaw. Backing short priced consistent horses may be, if that is the only reason for backing them. I do think the ability rating is a flaw, for the reasons you have shown. I also think backing any horse without some way of judging ability is a mistake. Ok find a good one, and guess what VDW showed us one, or at least how to compile it.

Be Lucky

I'm sorry but a VDW er on the other forum clearly states that shu shine was a selection

WE all know that if that or the other one earlier had won we would have people saying what a good VDW selections they were.

I still don't have the link to where you said it was a lay Investor..link please.

I am afraid that the lack of comment BEFORE the races proves this approach doesn't work..they are NEVER selections WHEN they lose are they?