Ectoo
The needle appears to have got stuck LOL.I'm not interested in Donkey derby's i'm only interested in the higher class races,Where the form holds out better.I have explained this already today but you are just picking bits of my posts and finding fault.I'm more than happy with where i'm at with regard to vdw's methods so you can sound off as much as you like it doesn't make the slightest difference to the methodology or how i use it.

hang on Investor

you are soon quick to quote "donkey derby's" when a horse "fits" with your purpose afterwards.

Mtoto

I don't see ANY evidence of VDWers picking up anyone's losses..only in their minds..certainly not in black and white.

the 7/4 figures were posted to prove that inconsistent horses do just as well..in fact lots better than consistent horses with the same market chance.

The MARKET is King..if you don't believe that then you are underestimating the strongest factor in racing. Knowing how strong the market is you can measure all sorts of theories..otherwise you can just pick one horse from last week or 20 years ago and try and persuade everyone that you have found some key.

I have purposely homed in on CONSISTENCY because it is one of things you hear most from VDWers.

I haven't been looking at afew RP pullouts for a couple of years, I've been looking at every aspect of the game for 25 years +. I don't think I have the game cracked or have some kind of special knowledge like VDWers do after they have been in the game 5 minutes like Investor.

VDW also = arrogance, inabilty to take on board any other knowledge, misinformed, basic, non profit making anoraking.

I have read most of the massive thread on here..just to see if I have missed anything or if I can learn anything from it. I don't just dismiss stuff like Investor does, I learn from all sorts of places. The least about this game I have learned is from what is posted within this forum..especially about making profit. The arrogance here suggests that the inaccurate pap expounded here is too hard to understand..LMFAO.

The lack of abilty to try and move forward is scary on here..it's like some kind of crap dogma that can't ever be questioned..I bet all VDWers think the earth is flat as well.

It is a shame really..thread after thread of wasted time and energy.

I'll not waste any more of mine because you lot follow a religion..and like those fanatics can't see the wood for the trees..living in cloud cuckoo land I'm afraid.

Ectoo
'Hang on a minute".What is that supposed to mean.I explained how i use vdw's methods and what races to apply them in.The highest penalty value race has just ran at southwell.

Polar Magic w 6/4 form figs 121.When will you lot ever learn.

backfitting in a donkey derby race

how effin sad..what about the other consistent fav's?

a 6/4 winner from 4 or 5 selections

well done on the loss

LMFAO

SARABA in a class D maiden ..yet another consistent loser

class d investor..another loser for you

polar magic not run for 200 days..do you reckon it would have remembered it's last run? how does 121 from 200 days ago measure up.

full o rubbish and aftertiming dreaming mister

lol

bored with you now..bye

Ectoo
OOOOH,The dummies been spat out big time now hasn't it,I'm not aftertiming.Merely illustrating that in the higher class races which is what vdw told us to stick to.The consistent horses win.Polar magic fell into that category today being as it was running in the highest penalty value race at southwell and it was the only race for evaluation,I didn't back the horse but it doesn't detract from the fact that consistent horses DO win.You keep slamming your money down on them Donkey's and i'll gladly take it back out of the bookies satchel.

Are/were any other horses in this experiment running in races recommended by VDW?

investor

wake up wake up wake up

you just dreamt you backed a winner

dummy out lol

only playing with you

LETS GET THIS CLEAR

Consistent horses WITH THE SAME MARKET CHANCE will win more than NON CONSISTENT horses in HIGHER CLASS RACES???

are you sure????????????????..because when I run the figures you are likely to make some excuses.

Pack in the aftertiming..its the sure sign of a LOSER..we all know that.

Answer the question..then we can see what excuses you come back with

are you sure that consistent horses with the same market chance win as often and show a profit as those with crap form in higher class races.

do you understand the question investor?

Ectoo
Why have i dreamt i backed a winner,I have already said i didn't back Polar Magic.So maybe it is you who is dreaming.

Epi
Brighton is all banded racing and wouldn't even be looked at.

4.00 folkestone.

6.20 Tow.

They are the races that would be evaluated,Apart from the Southwell race.

Investor: thanks, but shouldn't there be two races at the principal meeting (whichever that is)?

There wasn't a 4:00 at Folkestone(!?)

INVESTOR

you still haven't answered the question

are you scared of the results?

do you think that consistent horses in higher class races win more when they hold the same market chance as inconsistent horses???????????????????????????????

lol

RATHMULLAN WINS AT 5/1

thats 2/2 with inconsistent fav's..and Epi posted them before racing..quite a rarety on here.

yes I can see that backing a 6/4 shot in amongst all those other overbet consistent fav's makes sense

just need MR WHIZZ now..using your logic Investor that surely proves you are better backing inconsistent horses..no excuses about class needed..just bet em blind for a nice profit..or study for years and back overbet horses that don't win often enough ..which looks best?

Ectoo,

Pity if you mean that you won't be contributing to this thread, that would be a shame. What this thread needs is some constructive debate and to get away from the back slapping and instant experts.

Like you I have been interested in horse racing for many years. I think I have read most of the relevant material, and thought about what I've read, trying to make sense of it all. I don't agree VDW is nonsense, and that if you use the basics you have to stay in a 30 year time warp. I firmly believe VDW would have moved with the times and would have used the mouton of information that is now available to his best advantage. In fact he said you had to move with the times as racing was always changing. That doesn't mean change for the sake of change, something's never change. A good consistent horse will always be a better bet than a good inconsistent horse. No matter what you say there is still value to be found with these horses, if the value isn't there don't bet. For many years I only backed in handicaps believing that non handicaps didn't offer any value for the consistent horse. Wrong, some of my best wins have been in non handicaps, all those wasted years.
You say all VDW followers keep on about consistency. While it is a factor I think it's the folk that don't understand VDW that talk about it most. It is the combination of many things that makes a VDW selection.

Personally I couldn't care less if people don't think it works. I joined this forum to learn how others thought it worked, or to hear why some don't think it does. I will give as much thought to both sides of the argument and reply to both sides. Both sides must put up logical arguments to make it worthwhile, just saying it does or doesn't work in no good. The folk that don't agree have a tendency to pick on one thing in your case consistency and try to trash it based on that. It is more than one element, it is many all just as important than each other. I do agree that the 'believers' have a tendency to think theirs is the only right way and that's it.

When you meet people do you always demand proof? Don't you listen to what they say and form a judgement. Hope you don't meet too many pilot's or the sky's would be a bit crowded because of you. I have put up selections before the race does that prove I understand VDW? The few selections I have put up on here over the years have proven nothing to the people that think I have it all wrong, win or lose. I have my doubts that they even have a good look at them and try to find out why I make it a VDW type selection. These selections all have the same profile as I found in the 78 Erin. So, for me at least what was shown to me back then still holds good today.

So to finish you maybe able to find a weakness in individual elements but can you find the element that makes the whole thing fail when they are combined.

I still read your post on other forums with interest.

Be Lucky

Epi
Sorry,3.15 folk.The other race was an Apprentice race which would be left.

Ectoo
You can shoot what ever figures you like at me i'm not in the slightest bit concerned.I have said that consistent horses win races at all manner of prices,But that is "consistent form horses" not horses that have the ratings you put up.So there is no point to your question in respect of vdw methodology.

i think you will find that inconsistent horses make more profit Investor..this afternoon for example..they may be poor races but the profit is what it's all about..not getting stuck in a dogma that is leading you to bet poor value horses. Do you think that polar thing was value at 6/4??????. Look at the other consistent fav's in that list today..a load of losers..whereas the inconsistent ones are 2/2 with profit.

You obviously like backing winners but losing money..strange hobby..but each to their own.

I were only playing with him Mtoto.

I can't do with people that keep saying black is black when you can clearly demonstrate to them it isn't.

I find any discussion here pointless because all you get is investor pouring out the same staid inaccurate stuff.

it bores me, and I am sure it bores others.

no fact just lots of fantasy fiction..ok for a laugh but thats about all.

Mtoto
"What this thread needs is constructive debate".I totally agree but that debate should be centred on vdw methodology that is afterall what this thread is all about.Ectoo quite clearly doesn't want to get to the bottom of the methods in fact he doesn't even know what races vdw would have evaluated,Otherwise he wouldn't have been playing silly buggers all afternoon.In very much the same way as you found What you were looking for in the Erin.I found it through many other races.And neither of us achieve 80% we make a profit of that there is no doubt.But at the end of the day who is right and who is wrong,Until one of us achieves 80% on a continual basis we will never know.When i do reach 80% (and i will) i would gladly put selections up,But until that happens there is no point because all the doubters will say the methods don't work and i know for sure that that is the wrong conclusion.