And with one swift knot tied around the neck he is gone.

E-Mail address and i.p address also banned.

Shame about that as I understand that he has been a member since 2000. Still we dont want that kind of posting on the forum.I like a joke and banter but that went to far and he even carried it on this morning in the cold light of day.

SE

Nessie: for my part I am talking about the subject. I dont think VDW has much to do with horse racing, it's mainly interesting as a psychological study.

Ok lets get contraversial. Investor has his motives for posting on here. To my mind I dont know why because he gets a dig all the time. Perhaps he brings it on him self.

BUT

He has the right to post on here and defend him self as and when required. Investor does post up regarding horse racing and vdw, so thats ok. The banter can be fun, and Investor dont care anyway.

IF the posts get personal then that is NOT ok. Keep to the subject and keep it relevant, ie VDW and fight all you like.


You lot are clever buggers and you know whats right - so dont ruin it.

Everyone makes mistakes & say things they should`nt but pkboy was really bitter with John.
He could have put thing`s right this morning with an apology but chose not to.
Im sad to hear he was one of our longer standing members but there it is.

Mtoto
You shouldn't take things so much to heart,You say i'm not genuine i'm nt ging to start throwing the teddy out of the pram over it.What i said on the forum wasn't meant to be taken the way that you and your son decided to take it and i did re iterate that in the particular post so grow up and stop behaving like an adholescent.

I agree with you about the methods that put beacon light out of,But there were other factores aswell,That either you cannot see or you won't accept.I believe it was lee who said that you had gone a long way and he couldn'r understand how you hadn't reached the final conclusion.To be quite honest with you neither can i.Speed is no use without form but ability/Class have to be brought into the equation in seperating one horse from another.This is why he said that many can narrow it down to the 3 probables but get stuck.Class is Kingpin and always will be but they have to have the form that goes with it.

How did you view Quazar the other day,Even though he finished 7th lto.Going by the way you work he must have been on your short list.No doubt he was too short.

Investor,

I can only see one way to take that insinuation, and of course I would take it to heart.

This is meant to be a VDW thread so let's stick to the subject. I have never said speed is any good without the form. If you have studied the Erin you will know BL is the 2nd fastest horse in the race. Monksfield being the fastest, he is inconsistent at the time so is passed over. So a quick look should tell you I'm adding something else to the speed factor. This something isn't something I dreamt up it is explained by VDW. The form factor can be taken two ways, is he talking about overall form, or the fact that a horse is in form judged on one of it's last 3 races? Most seem to work on the latter, I don't think that is what he meant.
While I agree that Lee seems to know what he is talking about the fact he thinks I'm wrong doesn't matter to me. I also feel the same way about Fulham, although I'm happy to see that Fulham has made a subtle change to the way he now works. Both of these gentlemen insist on using the ability rating, it may have worked back then but racing has changed. There does now appear to be desire to give big prize money to inferior horses, and this will always blow that rating out of the water. However when I work and look at the old examples I do use penalty value to judge the class of a race.
I have asked you and others why you think this ability works and why. I really can't see how answering the question would give away any secrets, but there is never an answer from anyone. Why does taking an average of the winning prize money prove the class of a horse and it's will to win? Why are so many of the early examples so far down in the a/ratings, when he later says not to stray from the top few? I do think there is a definite change of emphasis after he introduced this a/rating, and I don't think he would have found many of his first explained selections using SIAO. Have you tried to find PK, Baronet, etc. using the method as spelt out in SIAO?

You ask about Quazar. To be honest I very seldom look at races with only a few runners, and as you suggested the price was far to short for me. Yes, he would have been on the short list but never a bet. I would be very surprised if he would have been a bet for VDW but that we will never know.

The main difference between us is I look at everything that others suggest and think about it. I try it against the examples and make a decision about the logic. You on the other hand can't have looked at the selections I have put up (or the sub sets) or you wouldn't still be coming out with remarks like speed is no good without form. If you really want to help how about a clue as to why BHL isn't a form horse. If VDW hadn't said he wasn't would you have known? I'm at a bit of a lose here, even Fulham says it isn't obvious by looking at the last 3 runs. If this is right why do you and others think being a form horse is judged on the last 3 runs? VDW explained some horse can't act on certain courses if they can't the class and form goes out the window. I think that is why BHL isn't a form horse and the fact he won the race the year before proves nothing about his ability to act on the course. He won a 3 horses race in a very slow time and his class pulled him through, just.

Be Lucky

Mtoto
i applaud you on the last VDW subject.

Weldone indeed very logical


Tony L.

PS enjoyed reading the post, thanks....

Hi invester
you too made a logical post, and i enjoyed reading it also!

Tony L.

SCUMBAG

As has been pointed out to me by another member, and something I should have spotted earlier, PKBoy and Barney are one and the same person, of that there is no doubt at all. Not content with being banned twice under his former name, he returned to this forum to work out his venomous spite on JIB, and as we have all witnessed from his recent posts, he has the scruples and intellect of an amoeba.
Thankfully, he is gone again from this forum, but he remains on the other place under his aliases of Vanman, Barney, and possibly one other.
Nothing to do with me, but I hope those who are dual members can sleep well with this deluded maniac as a fellow member.
Great credit to VDW isn't he?

Hope things go ok for you JIB, with the op.

Investor,

Thank you for the top weight pointer, saved a few sheckals - much appreciated .

Question (and you can't nominate).
I use a very good (IMO) set of ratings, these ratings include class of the race (according to the ratings not BHB or prize money), horse RAW rating, jockey rating, trainer rating, connections rating (J and T for horse and course and owner), horses likely chance if no other factors are included, horses likely chance if other factos are included, a value price and a forecast price.

The question - would you (or VDW) use these ratings?

From what I have read (death wishes aside - what goes around comes around) on VDW these ratings are a Godsend - they encompase everything he proposed. They are also published by somebody who has an interest in VDW.

NFP
Forgive the intrusion.
While you may find success through ratings, as many have before you, IMO you won't find the answers to VDW via that source.
The ratings you use may be VDW based, and may be very good ratings, but, at the end of the day, they necessitate adding together totally separate entities to construct a whole. and while a horse with 'a bit more of this, and a lot more of that' may eventually add up to a solid bet, there would rarely be the degree of certainty that he often expressed.
Ratings are a guide, and they are helpful in sorting out the contenders, but they will not give you the solution you seek, not matter how accurate or well used.

Mtoto
"I do think there is a definite change of emphasis after he introduced this a/rating, and I don't think he would have found many of his first explained selections using SIAO. Have you tried to find PK, Baronet, etc. using the method as spelt out in SIAO?"
With respect, the method he showed in SIAO goes deeper than his initial ratings, and does. IMO, give the solution to your examples.
As I said recently, it is mainly about how VDW read and understood form, a point he drew attention to in his later work, and it is there you should look for your answer.
It has little to do with one a/r against another, either, as so many seem to think.

Hello Nat,
Congratulations on being the first new member to post this week.

Interflora should be knocking on your door soon with a lovely bouquet.

Hi Nofinepix

Is there any chance i could see yesterdays ratings as im interested on how they look at the owner,

Cheers Rab

Hi Nat

Welcome to the madhouse

Cheers John.

Gummy

Are you sure they are able to post, this is the only section i am able to read or post in.

I noticed a thread in general discussion entitled 'attention Nat' but i was unable to read it. It just said i have not got permission.

Rab thanks for the welcome.

Nat

Firstly, welcome.

Secondly, I have highlighted your problem re. accessing the other threads to Gummy on a seperate thread.

Hopefully he'll get it sorted for you shortly.

Hello Nat,
You should be okay now apologies about that but I forgot to add you to a power group.

Gummy

Thanks guys, all seems fine now.