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SadKen and That Pie in the Sky.

I am surprised that there is only one reply to that thread dare no one say anything?
You thinking what I am PK?
Perhaps Schoolmaster may be a better name cos he talks to people like kids Or

leechmaster
Scuttles off down the M1 Gets the goods from sadken and makes sure nobody else will
And hes running the show

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"As he said himself, he wanted to show me the way, to prove that what he said was true, but for it be taken away in memory only. My reply to him was that I don't have a memory to take it away with! This suited the situation and so, no, I won't be seeking to make my fortune off his back. I've forgotten most of it already and long may it be so."
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Yeah right
And pigs might fly

Dear me

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Boozer,

I agree, sad to say.

Vampires all, a palid reflection.

Not invisble.

To some.

Boozer,

Whats the best advice you have ever been given regarding horse racing?

I'll tell you mine.

Don't trust nobody, tell nobody nothing.
Everybody know's it all anyway. Sic. Lee.

Truer words never spoken/written.

Best advice about Horseracing? and people that back em

Its not what they tell you
Its what they dont tell you that matters

Who's was that?

Read it somewhere

Was it a good book?

Just been looking for it
Must have been about 1972
The first time I came across the phrase Dropped in class
One stat that I remember was out of a 4000 race sample 90% of the winners were racing in the same class or lower than their last race
Dont know how that holds up today
Sounds a bit high

Sounds like you enjoyed it!

I was looking through Braddock a couple of days ago and it's interesting to see how misleading these percentages can be, for example for all races flat 1988 and NH 1988-89, 80% of winners had last run within 28 days. However of horses that had run within 28 days the percentage of winners was 9.6 (flat) and 11.2 (NH), in short the vast majority of horses had run within 28 days, so it's not wildly useful information. The same with this 90%, unless we know what percentage of all runners were in the same or lower class, it's not a very useful statistic.

Boozer,

You say you are surprised that only one person replied to the Sad Ken weird SR thread. Actually it literally left me speachless, something I've never suffered from before!

I must have pumped up a reply half a dozen times but on each occasion I thought it best to leave the thread the way it was as any critcism would only spoil it.

It reminds me of the story of the chap who said he could fly. Who was the bigger chump? The guy who said it or the one who got in his car and drove over to watch him take off?

JIB
The bats good.

Yes, SE the bat is good!!

Trouble is , I'm more confused than ever now;
you see, I thought LEE was Batman, and Investor was Robin,

so, for me, it's all up in the air.

Take care in that hospital, JIB! If your SR with those nurses goes as high as Investor's, you'll be in danger of tiring yourself out.

Investor Robin
Dobbin more like

EPI

Your are of course correct about the stats
Heres an extract from a 1973 book I fould last night
A lot of it similar to VDw stuff
This time the class and drops in class are based on racecourse groups
ascot 1
warwick 5 etc

Class: Only 315 winners in 5,000 races were running in a higher class than their last race. Astounding! Your competitors on the track, with only a few exceptions, do not know this. They have some general idea about class, but do not really know the score.
These figures suggest that, in nine out of ten races, the winner is running in his own class or in a lower class.
The judgment is based on class distinction between races and racetracks

JIB


Whats happened to swish
Last post Feb 12 complaining of computer crashing

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Boozer,
Now that`s interesting, do you have the class structure for the tracks graded 1-5 at hand as ive lost mine?.

Certainly have Walter
But bear in mind this is 1973 and obviously outdated


Table 2
Class of Racetracks
In testing for class of horses, move
track up a group for races worth
£1,000 or more eg: Liverpool Spring
Cup is Group 4 not Group 5.



Group 1
Ascot
Epsom
Goodwood
Newmarket
Sandown

Group 2
Kempton
York
Newbury
Lingfield

Group 3
Ayr
Doncaster
Newcastle
Redcar
Chester
Haydock


Group 4
Windsor
Yarmouth
Salisbury
Brighton
Bath
Nottingham
Chepstow

Group 5
Leicester
Liverpool
Warwick
Wolverhampton
Folkestone

Group 6
Hamilton
Catterick
Edinburgh.
Thirsk
Carlisle'
Teesside
Lanark
Ripon
Pontefract
Beverley

Cheers Boozer, i agree, a more up to date list would be needed for flat & jumps.
So if anyone can help?.

Walter

A while back someone put the following racecourse groupings up on the board - can't remember who it was (so the credit goes to whoever that was). Hope it's what your after

Flat

Group 1

Ascot
Ayr
Doncaster
Epsom
Goodwood
Haydock
Kempton
Newbury
Newcastle
Newmarket
Sandown
York

Group 2

Brighton
Chester
Lingfield (Turf)
Redcar
Ripon
Salisbury
Thirsk

Group 3

Bath
Beverley
Chepstow
Hamilton
Leicester
Nottingham
Pontefract
Windsor
Yarmouth

Group 4

Carlisle
Catterick
Folkstone
Lingfield AW (May have changed since new surface introduced)
Musselburgh
Southwell AW
Warwick
Wolverhampton


National Hunt Courses

Group 1

Aintree
Ascot
Ayr
Cheltenham
Doncaster
Haydock
Kempton
Newbury
Newcastle
Sandown

Group 2

Chepstow
Fontwell
Lingfield
Newton Abbot
Wetherby

Group 3

Catterick
Folkstone
Huntingdon
Leicester
Market Rasen
Nottingham
Plumpton
Stratford
Uttoxeter
Warwick
Wincanton
Worcester

Group 4

Bangor
Carlisle
Cartmel
Exeter
Fakenham
Hereford
Hexham
Kelso
Ludlow
Musselburgh
Perth
Sedgfield
Southwell
Taunton
Towcester