quote:

Originally posted by sean rua:
Travis has taken weight off both victories, and at Chester AP must have been the lightest horse.
I note all this , even though i don't consider weight myself; it's just that i think it's the old story of there being more than one way to skin a rabbit or kill a cat.

I'm glad someone brought Travis up. (Travis Block - great name). I watched the replay twice. The second time because I couldn't believe what I noticed the first time.

They talk about a good jockey wins races he sholdn't win, and a bad jockey loses races he shouldn't lose. Travis is a good jockey in the making - his statistics tell you that. But yesterday, he told the horse he'd won at least 50 yards from the line - patted him and stopped riding. He got away with it as AP didn't slow. But another day on another horse, he might not be so lucky.

Athletes have lost medals for slowing up before the line. Jockeys have earned themselves bans for not riding out. Why on earth do people do it? Just keep it going until you're an inch past the line ffs! It's so bleedin' obvious.

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As for killing a cat... please choose your words more diplomatically!!

Let them tell us again that VDW didn't know what he was talking about, or that he didn't indeed SPELL IT ALL OUT.

JohnD,

Have to admit the above has me puzzled. As far as I can see there are very few on this forum that say VDW didn't know what he is/was talking about. Even more puzzling to me is the last few words of that post.

If SIAO is used as any sort of guide, how does it help find Allied Power? Using the suggested procedures the third/fourth most valuable race at Newbury wouldn't have been used. I also have grave doubts about the hindsight used when judging the tainer intent. I read the facts as AP was being aimed at the 1st York race and was pulled out because of the going, he was also pulled out of the 2nd race for the same reason. The only well thought out bit of the race planning was to enter him at Newbury in a race he wouldn't be eligible for in the near future. The trainer then ran this fit in form horse in the much weaker race and it paid of. Thinking on his feet yes, but part of of some great plan, no.

I have no doubt you will say but VDW said his methods work in any race, agreed. However there can be no doubt if SIOA was followed as written AP wouldn't have been a selection. The same goes for the early selections no matter how hard you argue against it, MANY of those selections wouldn't have been made using that usless article. It CLEARLY says which races to look at, and it CLEARLY says MUST be in the top four for ability. It doesn't say take the top four and work down UNTIL a contender is found, it draws a line the top four.

BC,

None of this is aimed at you, and I agree VDW would have considered AP as a good bet, perhaps even a good thing. I think like PK AP was the clear c/form horse and could be found using EXACTLY the same template.

Sean Rua,

Have to say my bare ratings come up with the same four as you, albeit in a slightly different order.........

Cesare
Creachadoir
Rob Roy
Al Qasi

However unlike you I wouldn't be surprised if none of them win it. I have some serious doubts about the course for all of them. The biggest doubt being against Cesare, even toying with laying him.

Be Lucky

Sean

I have Creachadoir as the clear class horse, the only doubt being his fitness.

Mtoto

You crease me up, will reply later.

In the 335Nmk I have both Heron Bay and Hot Diamond. Heron Bay is getting a suitable dist for the first time whilst Hot Diamond is getting a stone from the big names, he's shortened overnight.

355Nwb I have Mr Wall's second string Sundae

quote:

Originally posted by les henderson:
OCEANA GOLDback in trip down in class c/d winner,good jockey looks to be in with a big chance today

Yes, I looked at this one too. I think OG should win too, but I won't be backing it.

My only bet today was each-way on Special Reserve (non-VDW) and has run 2nd. At 5/1 with Sporting Bet, at least I got my stake back.

The Big race looks too hard for me!!
Good luck with your selections Sean and Mtoto - I've got no idea!!

Nice one JD.

Well done J, M & S !!

Well done JD i did`nt have the saver you advised on Baby Strange as i knew i would make a profit on the loading of the place with Royal Rock if he had managed to get in the first 3, was happy with my bet pre-race so let it ride.Not a great profit by any standards but content enough with it.

Just laid Soccerjackpot at Thirsk there at 4.7 will post up the bet when it comes through nice profit again.

2008-05-17
16:24 5252522005 2008-05-17
16:21 GB Thirsk 17th May / 16:20 6f Hcap
16:24 5252522005 2008-05-17
16:21 GB Thirsk 17th May / 16:20 6f Hcap / Soccerjackpot
Lay 4.70 Won

Well done guys

A few winners posted today

Just bet Mango Music there at 6.0 at Newmarket in a book with the fav doing well so far, was only going to play on the one race today, post them up soon.

2008-05-17
17:29 5253263830 2008-05-17
17:21 GB Newm 17th May / 17:20 6f Hcap
17:21 GB Newm 17th May / 17:20 6f Hcap / Ingleby Princess
Back 4.60 Lost
17:29 5253263830 2008-05-17
17:21 GB Newm 17th May / 17:20 6f Hcap / Mango Music
Back 6.00 Won

Only fun bets but worthwhile on the day.

Another bet comin soon.

2008-05-17
17:44 5253514944 2008-05-17
17:40 GB Newb 17th May / 17:35 To Be Placed
2008-05-17
17:44 5253514944 2008-05-17
17:40 GB Newb 17th May / 17:35 To Be Placed / Aqlaam
Back 1.30 Won
17:43 5253511315 2008-05-17
17:40 GB Newb 17th May / 17:35 7f Mdn Stks
17:43 5253511315 2008-05-17
17:40 GB Newb 17th May / 17:35 7f Mdn Stks / Aqlaam
Back 2.20 Won

Feck knows where my Creachador place only bet went at 1.80 cant find it? not in my account?.

2008-05-17
14:57 5251105890 2008-05-17
14:50 GB Newb 17th May / 14:45 To Be Placed / Creachadoir
Back Won

Was a page back, been a good day for a weak day.

It was at 1.86 for the place just checked again there with the Godolphin horse.