Mtoto

Why did Fulham tell other posters his (fitted up in my view) findings on VDW?
Why did he not keep his bogus findings to himself??

Read Jibs post again on 2nd of May at 12-45pm, insulting to VDW to say the least.

Trypod

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Originally posted by trypod:
Mtoto

Why did Fulham tell other posters his (fitted up in my view) findings on VDW?
Why did he not keep his bogus findings to himself??

Read Jibs post again on 2nd of May at 12-45pm, insulting to VDW to say the least.

Trypod

Trypod,

I doubt very much that the findings are bogus. Bear in mind, the evidence was verified by several long standing VDW contributors, including Lee. Personally, I have found AlanB to be a very helpful, willing and enthusiastic VDW contributor, both here and elsewhere. Indeed, you may be interested to know that he pointed me towards the writings of Guest and Lee!! If it was a ruse to "down play" the method, why would he make known that he is achieving an 80%+ SR using the method?

And in the post you mention, JIB gives significant credit to VDW: "We all have our moments of genius and VDW had his, no small one either...". In my view, JIB himself is probably THE most generous of contributors on any of the boards I visit.

I agree BC

Helpful in every way and honest with it,

Bc-Rab

It was Jibs comments about VDWs english and his lack of education which sounded disrespectful. Nothing to do with helping other posters, can,t fault him on that one.

Where has Fulham given 80% winners before racing like Lee has?

Trypod

I can only guess that those comments must have came from Fulham unless Jib has met vdw

Fulham has his own forum and no idea of the addy for it but you could try www.maddoctorrus.com

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Originally posted by trypod:
Where has Fulham given 80% winners before racing like Lee has?

The point I was trying to make was that IF Fulham was down-playing VDW, he wouldn't then make known he was achieving 80%+ using VDW. The latter contradicts the former.

Rab - JIB may not have met VDW - but those of us who have followed JIB's sometimes eccentric Gummy career - know, that he has on occasions, corresponded with VDW's exotic wife.

tc

FFS!

Surely everybody realises that there was no such person as VDW.

It is impossible to insult somebody who does not and never did exist.

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Originally posted by BlackCat:
Personally, I have found AlanB to be a very helpful, willing and enthusiastic VDW contributor, both here and elsewhere. Indeed, you may be interested to know that he pointed me towards the writings of Guest and Lee!! If it was a ruse to "down play" the method, why would he make known that he is achieving an 80%+ SR using the method?

Bc

Maybe you should ask yourself why, only a short while ago on this forum, the above person, (persons? ) was claiming an 80% strike rate for Lee, yet never claimed one for himself?

psst! Wanna buy any snake oil?

PLEASE HELP ME FIND A WINNER

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Originally posted by sean rua:
FFS!

Surely everybody realises that there was no such person as VDW.

It is impossible to insult somebody who does not and never did exist.

Sean

You'll have us believe there's no leprechauns guarding the pot of gold either. Tch, tch.

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Originally posted by johnd:

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Originally posted by BlackCat:
Personally, I have found AlanB to be a very helpful, willing and enthusiastic VDW contributor, both here and elsewhere. Indeed, you may be interested to know that he pointed me towards the writings of Guest and Lee!! If it was a ruse to "down play" the method, why would he make known that he is achieving an 80%+ SR using the method?

Bc

Maybe you should ask yourself why, only a short while ago on this forum, the above person, (persons? ) was claiming an 80% strike rate for Lee, yet never claimed one for himself?

psst! Wanna buy any snake oil?

Hi JohnD

I had a feeling you'd reply to that post of mine!!

Whether you choose to believe the 80%+ is irrelevant to the point - which is that I doubt AlanB's motivation in making known his findings is to down play the methods.



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Hi Paul

I feel the same at the moment. If any help, this is what I'm doing...

Be patient and wait for a "sore thumb". If that loses - be patient and wait for a "sore thumb". If that loses - be patient and wait for a "sore thumb". If that loses - you get the idea!!

Trypod,

I must admit that I have an advantage over you in that I know the true identity, background, and potted history of the person who wrote as VDW. And as such I am no longer under the influence of the image created by that person and his followers.

The ancients worshipped graven images because it enabled them to project their own philosophies as those of the divine. Today their modern descendants, whilst they have no time for piety, continue to create God in their own image. The human mind is naturally arrogant in that what it believes in has to be correct.

To learn to improve ourselves we need to have the humility to be prepared to change our ideas when they are unfavourably confronted by reality. It is only by adapting to a constantly changing environment that a lifeform can continue to exist.

I shall reach the age of 49 this weekend ( ) what I have recently discovered about VDW does not invalidate those 5 decades, rather it makes for a more optimistic prospect for the next five.

Party time in Brasil

Just mind you dont set the house on fire wi all those candles on the cake

With all the beer that will be lying about any incipient conflagration will be swiftly dealt with!

Jib

If I understand your post correctly you have benifeted from his books and articles over the years.
They were never about the man himself or his lifestyle, they were about horse racing and betting. Tony Peach put the mist and gloss on his image, anyway have a happy birthday old chap.

Trypod

Just a spring chicken, JIB!

When you're double that age, folk will still be rowing about wtf vdw said or meant, imo.

Many Happy returns, btw!

Chepstow 4.10 was the best race on the card,and the winner was the most likely but not backed to win by me.I have a question on the second horse,beaten a short head,

(a) does he enter the notebook

(b) is he disregarded

Any thoughts welcome.

JIB Happy Birthday 49 your not that old my friend,wait till you reach 50 thats old,lol,only joking,have a good one.

They were never about the man himself or his lifestyle, they were about horse racing and betting.

Trypod,

While you are of course correct do you really think if VDW had been presented as an ordinary working bloke folk would have been as interested in his methods? Isn't the whole thing built around the dream of achieving the sort of lifestyle hinted at in the literature?

What people don't want to admit (or see) is the hard work that goes into making gambling pay. Far to many are looking for an easy answer, and here I don't think JohnD is helping very much by suggesting the answer is simple. I think by saying this he is fuelling the idea followed by many a simple system is the way forward. I think we all know by how that is far from the truth, there is a lot more to it than that.

Whether or not the VDW lifestyle presented in the literature was VDW's idea or someone else's the fact remains he did nothing to refute it. It is well known he did receive payment and was told what to write, so how can anyone take ALL he said as gospel? Personally I think this chap who became known as VDW had some very clever ideas about horse racing and he was for whatever reason manipulated. Apart from the money received for SB and a few £50 payments for articles what did he make out of it? Not a lot as far as I can see.

What are we left with? For those who have taken the time to take the EARLY examples apart they have the knowledge that (irrespective of anything that came later) there is a wealth of knowledge that can be used, even today. Even those who can't agree on exactly how the methods work have learnt by taking the examples apart, they have a couple of fixed points to work from. Class, however it is measured, and form. Although even with the simple word FORM there can be two different understandings. Some take it to mean being IN FORM, (progressive) others take it to mean HAS the form to compete with/in this field/race.

Be Lucky

Mtoto

A good post,I don't know who VDW was or care really,but is it possible to clarify a few points.I will ask a couple of questions,and you may or may not answer them,its your call,

1/ Was VDW a pro punter or did he have a conventional job.

2/ Was he in your opinion, based on what you know, a genuine character.

3/ More importantly do you feel that what was produced in the VDW booklets,was genuine or was some of it misleading?

I consider myself a genuine VDW enthusiast as I'm sure others do on here,what I would deem to be fair play,would be if someone could clarify which of the writings if any you would consider hogwash etc.